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Re:Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticanc... by rsync on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:21AM (#24939135)
"Would really like to see this compared to another group with a similar level of calorie restriction but without the intermittent fasting."

I think the answer to your question is total time inflamed (for lack of a better term).

Eating and digesting appear to be an interrupt for many other processes, for obvious reasons. You divert a lot of resources and produce a lot of inflammation and depress a lot of immunity.

Do you want to be in that state for 14 hours per day or for 6 hours per day ?

My bro-science intuition tells me that, all else being equal, consuming the same number of calories in a tighter window is much less expensive.

Re:Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticanc... by airstrike on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:27AM (#24939161)
Whereas my bro-science intuition tells me that asking my pancreas to produce all the insulin I need in a tighter window is much more taxing
Re:Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticanc... by manicorganic on Friday October 30, 2020 @03:58AM (#24940054)
A single, giant meal is not going to be associated with the problematic blood sugar spikes and rapid insulin responses as long as it is a balanced meal that includes a good amount of fats, proteins and vegetables. All of these slow digestion, so the pancreas will be doling out insulin at a relatively steady, slow rate over the course of hours and then getting a nice long rest.

Eating 3 balanced meals throughout the day might be marginally better or worse for the pancreas, but neither of these dietary choices trigger the panic-level insulin responses (which ultimately lead to insulin resistance and diabetes) that snacking on large amounts of refined carbs and refined sugars are notorious for.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2121099/ This study found that although there was higher blood glucose and reduced glucose tolerance in the morning for the group eating 1 meal a day, surprisingly they had less insulin resistance than the group eating 3. Other indicators of dietary/hormonal health were the same between groups. Same caloric intake of glucose between groups, and the 1 meal a day group shared the same evening window just like OMAD. This was a pilot study with small sample size (irritatingly the actual number isn't listed from what I can see) as well as a high withdrawal rate, unsurprisingly.

Re:Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticanc... by rsync on Friday October 30, 2020 @03:04AM (#24939845)
I don't know. You're talking about the engagement of the pancreas itself and I am talking about the effects of that engagement on the entire body.

I note with interest that we make reference to insulin "spikes".

Do I want to insulin spike more, or fewer, times per day ?

Re:Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticanc... by manicorganic on Friday October 30, 2020 @04:06AM (#24940097)
Ideally you want no spikes, because you are eating a balanced diet and avoiding meals and snacks consisting largely of refined carbs and refined sugars. A proper meal shouldn't really create a blood sugar (and resulting insulin) spike as much as a gradual elevation and fall back to baseline, because protein, fat, and fiber all slow digestion, and complex carbs (and even sugars within fiber/nutrient matrixes ie whole fruits) don't tend to spike blood sugar too badly in the first place.
Re:Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticanc... by hnick on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:28AM (#24939166)
> depress a lot of immunity

That seems odd, in a non-city context wouldn't eating and drinking be one of the riskiest things in terms of getting sick?

Edit: After thinking about it maybe it's related to not overreacting to everything we eat and causing allergies?

Re:Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticanc... by coldtea on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:59AM (#24939318)
Compared to not-eating and drinking? No.
Re:Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticanc... by hnick on Friday October 30, 2020 @01:02AM (#24939334)
How so? Wouldn't most pathogens be food or water borne if you're not in a crowded city in close proximity to other humans or livestock?

Either way I don't see how what you say is true. If I stop eating or drinking how does that make me catch the flu or something the immune response helps against?

It seems having it active when I eat would be the most useful, which is why I wondered why it worked how it does.

Re:Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticanc... by coldtea on Friday October 30, 2020 @08:13AM (#24941380)
>Wouldn't most pathogens be food or water borne if you're not in a crowded city in close proximity to other humans or livestock?

In that eating and drinking is essential, and for the primitive man, not guaranteed everyday...

>If I stop eating or drinking how does that make me catch the flu or something the immune response helps against?

It just makes you die in a couple months from not eating, and a week or so from not drinking :-)

Re:Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticanc... by hnick on Friday October 30, 2020 @09:44PM (#24948462)
I don't really see how that relates, when I say "getting sick" I don't think most people from here would include starvation or dehydration in that bucket, but maybe that's a regional difference. I meant things you catch (virus, bacteria, parasites) because we're talking about immune response.