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Re:Draw on a PDF Online by black_puppydog on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @09:35AM (#24918554)
Content warning: strong language

I literally just spent an hour trying out different apps on a windows pc to annotate a scientific paper (standard arxiv paper) with a stylus.

The results are devastating... Every app is so broken, hidpi isn't there, font rendering is crap, touch on windows is essentially unusable, many apps didn't even let me un-fullscreen without going back to desktop mode (this is a convertible).

I surmise that the "upload your pdf and do the editing in the cloud" market only exists because the user story on windows is utter shit. It is so much worse than on debian, running on the same hardware. This includes the touch screen and stylus handling, font rendering, UI, responsiveness, essentially everything that people always claim linux is so bad at.

I'm not comparing it to apples's golden cage of course, they may have amazing pdf editing but I'm not interested.

Re:Draw on a PDF Online by perrys on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @10:48AM (#24919332)
Hey! Your absolutely right, Apple has got down an awesome native PDF editor & annotator and that Windows do not have their act together for native apps.

The direction Good Annotations is taking however is to be able to do all of that collaboratively with other users. The stuff you see today is hopefully the first step.

Device compatability is obviously a tough one because there are so many different devices out there creating alot of edge cases. At the moment we're following the data to get things off the ground. Chrome & Desktop. We will be looking at touch support in the near future

Re:Draw on a PDF Online by BitwiseFool on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @12:28PM (#24920712)
How does such a ubiquitous format have such terrible and disjointed editing tools in this day and age?
Re:Draw on a PDF Online by twsted on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @10:42AM (#24919261)
> I'm not comparing it to apples's golden cage of course, they may have amazing pdf editing...

Actually yes

Re:Draw on a PDF Online by sauwan on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @03:06PM (#24922836)
I had the exact same experience. It's intolerably bad on Windows.

Can you give me an idea of what worked well with Debian? I hadn't even considered that as an option.

Re:Draw on a PDF Online by black_puppydog on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @04:29PM (#24923759)
I've been using Zotero + xournalpp (note the "pp") and it works quite well. I wouldn't call it perfect, but I'm happy enough. It handles pinch to zoom, swipe to pan, and stylus for annotations.
Re:Draw on a PDF Online by aegis4244 on Thursday October 29, 2020 @02:10AM (#24927765)
Ubuntu studio worked best for my touchscreen laptops. Only distro I found that handled things well.
Re:Draw on a PDF Online by itronitron on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @10:25AM (#24919052)
If you haven't tried Microsoft Edge then it's worth a shot. Curious to know if you have used it and how it compared to other applications.
Re:Draw on a PDF Online by perrys on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @10:49AM (#24919342)
Does Microsoft Edge have annotation tools built in?
Re:Draw on a PDF Online by itronitron on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @12:31PM (#24920779)
Edge has built in tools for drawing on and highlighting a pdf file.
Re:Draw on a PDF Online by black_puppydog on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @04:31PM (#24923777)
That might be the single reason to actually try it. Now, if only there was a way to strip out all the web browsing functionality and not have it take the attention as an invitation to nest into my system even more... :P
Re:Draw on a PDF Online by bertman on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @10:08AM (#24918868)
>It is so much worse than on debian

I feel you. What DID you end up using on Debian then?

Re:Draw on a PDF Online by black_puppydog on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @04:32PM (#24923787)
https://github.com/xournalpp/xournalpp

Not perfect but so much more workable than what I saw here.

Also much more workable on linux than on windows... :|

Edit: I had written "sadly much more workable on linux than on windows" but honestly I don't think it's sad at all.

Re:Draw on a PDF Online by senorsmile on Thursday October 29, 2020 @02:41PM (#24933919)
xournal has builds available for windows. I just showed my wife how to sign a pdf her laptop last night (the only windows machine in the house).
Re:Draw on a PDF Online by black_puppydog on Friday October 30, 2020 @05:59AM (#24940708)
I tried that (well, xpurnalpp, not xournal) and the stylus/touch story didn't compare to the Debian experience at all... :(