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Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by rayiner on Monday October 26, 2020 @05:19PM (#24901555)
But do you see the difference between teaching people about structural racism and having them stand up and declare "I am a racist" and "I am a gatekeeper of white supremacy?" Two things about that are outside acceptable norms:

1) Having people declare personal complicity for a general social ill; and

2) Using words that have widely-understood connotations to mean something different in order to achieve shocking rhetorical effect.

It's not just inconsistent with social norms, it's alienating to many non-white people. I don't think the well-meaning white people doing this (and almost everyone involved in this is white) really understand that we have to actually go on and try to interact normally our professors and administrators after this.

Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by shadowgovt on Monday October 26, 2020 @06:08PM (#24902077)
How does that change the normal interaction dynamic?
Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by SpicyLemonZest on Monday October 26, 2020 @07:11PM (#24902596)
I generally try to avoid racist people, because they'll treat me and many of my friends poorly. That's what "racism" meant in the culture I was brought up in - a racist person was by definition one who treated certain races poorly.

Because of that, it's very hard for me to have normal interactions with people who explicitly identify as racist, even if they say they're a special kind of racist who intends to treat me well.

Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by shadowgovt on Monday October 26, 2020 @08:26PM (#24903228)
So it's a matter of definition, not behavior. Because the point of unconscious bias training is to help people see the ways in which they are racist even if they don't think of themselves as racist.

In other words, there's no magically non-racist person out there. Everyone's a little bit racist.

Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by free_rms on Monday October 26, 2020 @09:12PM (#24903534)
It's a magical, shifting definition that means whatever the high priests need it to mean at the moment.

Making people confess to being 'racist', at institutions where being Racist gets you fired, is a power-move.

Those of us who can see that aren't objecting to the idea of unconscious bias, we're objecting to the power move.

Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by shadowgovt on Monday October 26, 2020 @09:20PM (#24903583)
If only there were some kind of, I dunno, training to help clarify and de-magic these words. ;)
Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by free_rms on Monday October 26, 2020 @09:23PM (#24903601)
Do you believe racists should be shamed and fired?
Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by shadowgovt on Monday October 26, 2020 @09:33PM (#24903658)
I don't believe people should be shamed and fired for having unconscious bias and confronting it.

There's a world of difference between confronting one's unconscious bias and unapologetic, willful racism.

Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by free_rms on Monday October 26, 2020 @09:39PM (#24903692)
And, we're back to the magical shifting definition.

If there's such a world of difference, why conflate the two using the same word?

Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by shadowgovt on Monday October 26, 2020 @09:49PM (#24903756)
That's a question for the English language and dictionary authors, not for me.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/us/merriam-webster-racism...

Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by free_rms on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @12:14AM (#24904447)
Any thoughts of your own on the matter? We're way in the sidebar, don't worry about downvotes. Tell me why.