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Re:An Intuition for Lisp Syntax by jakear on Monday October 26, 2020 @09:05AM (#24895707)
I’ve literally seen first-hand GJS lose track of paren matching while lecturing on Sceme/SICP. It happens very rarely sure, but certainly not never. Probably about as often as experts in any other language/profession make silly mistakes. Perhaps you’re a better schemster than him, but I have my doubts :)

I think no matter the language the syntax will disappear over time and your brain will learn to look at the character matrix and directly see logical constructs, moreover this will always apply cross-language to other languages with similar syntax. Fit example, I primarily work in TS, I have decent amount of experience in other C-style, and to me Rust is easily readable with very little experience actually using it.

Re:An Intuition for Lisp Syntax by capableweb on Monday October 26, 2020 @09:38AM (#24896008)
I'm not sure who GJS is but if you see any lisper editing text instead of operating on structures (with auto-balancing parenthesis and so on), it's 99% certain it's in an environment they are not familiar with, so they will make mistakes.

I don't think anyone who write Lisp-like languages professionally doesn't use tools like parinfer/paraedit, where balancing parenthesis is not something you have to do.

Re:An Intuition for Lisp Syntax by jakear on Monday October 26, 2020 @09:43AM (#24896053)
This was on a blackboard. And GJS advised Guy Steele in creating Scheme and coauthored SICP with him.
Re:An Intuition for Lisp Syntax by capableweb on Monday October 26, 2020 @09:47AM (#24896089)
Yup, makes sense that you make mistakes then, as these folks are surely used to not having to think about balancing parenthesis anymore. Just as over-reliance on GPS will make your navigation skills without a GPS worse over time.
Re:An Intuition for Lisp Syntax by kgwgk on Monday October 26, 2020 @02:17PM (#24899249)
> coauthored SICP with him

Not with him.

Re:An Intuition for Lisp Syntax by kgwgk on Monday October 26, 2020 @10:03AM (#24896244)
I'm pretty sure there are people who write common lisp professionally whithout those tools. Are they even available in the LispWorks or ACL editors?
Re:An Intuition for Lisp Syntax by capableweb on Monday October 26, 2020 @10:11AM (#24896326)
While specifically parinfer and/or paraedit might not be available in neither LispWorks or ACL editors, they surely have something there to aid with parenthesis.

But I might be wrong here, it's simply hard for me to imagine someone writing with lisps professionally going the route of textual editing when structural editing is right there.

Re:An Intuition for Lisp Syntax by kgwgk on Monday October 26, 2020 @10:49AM (#24896740)
Re:An Intuition for Lisp Syntax by bear8642 on Monday October 26, 2020 @11:36AM (#24897312)
>I'm not sure who GJS is…

Gerald Jay Sussman