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Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by horsawlarway on Sunday October 25, 2020 @06:29PM (#24890622)
I mean... having used both X and Wayland as daily drivers, you're fucking insane if you think you can EVER get me back on X.

On Wayland I get excellent multi-monitor support (mixed scaling ratios, much better automatic detection and configuration, much better plug-and-play). I also have a touchpad on my XPS that feels just as good as a Mac.

To boot, I haven't had to touch a config file related to input devices or output devices a single time using Arch/GDE/Wayland.

Honestly, I'd probably still be running linux in a VM on my laptop if it weren't for Wayland.

If X is your opinion of "stable and working" then I don't want any part of your systems.

Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by WesolyKubeczek on Sunday October 25, 2020 @06:39PM (#24890708)
Cannot say Wayland works smoothly on my triple-monitor setup. One of the monitors sometimes stops working randomly, and wakes up to display Plymouth screen when I reboot the thing.

Dell Precision 7520 with an AMD GPU. The degree of flakiness is different depending on whether you're on Plasma or GNOME, but it's there nonetheless.

Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by horsawlarway on Sunday October 25, 2020 @07:25PM (#24891080)
I mean, my data point of one isn't all that helpful if you're having issues, but triple monitors do indeed work on my end.

I switch between a station that has a 4k display next to a standard 1920x1080 display as well as my laptop display (3200x1800) and my home setup with the laptop and 2 4k displays.

I had an issue on the 4k displays when I attempted to run two displays and a usb hub on a single thunderbolt line, but that wasn't Wayland, that was me being dumb: The thunderbolt protocol only support 40Gb/s and each monitor uses 20Gb/s and the hub eats another 10Gb/s. If the hub got detected last, it dropped to usb 2, if one of the monitors came online last, it would drop to 30hz refresh rate. Frankly - I was a little floored when I realized that I was the one being dumb and the system was mostly still just making things work. Just for shits and giggles I booted up an x-session after to see what it does. The answer is lots of black screen.

Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by ludocode on Sunday October 25, 2020 @07:03PM (#24890903)
I'm guessing that's an AMD GPU thing and not a Wayland thing. I run a triple-monitor setup with an AMD GPU on X.org and I have a similar problem: every once in a while when I boot my PC one of the monitors just doesn't come to life. Restarting X usually fixes it.
Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by WesolyKubeczek on Sunday October 25, 2020 @07:29PM (#24891115)
But the bootscreens work! X11 withmodesetting ddx works!

Moreover: when I pass through the dGPU to a virtualized macOS, all monitors I plug in just work!

Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by phkahler on Sunday October 25, 2020 @08:42PM (#24891628)
>> Cannot say Wayland works smoothly on my triple-monitor setup.

How does X work on that setup?

Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by WesolyKubeczek on Monday October 26, 2020 @02:31AM (#24893329)
Very smoothly.
Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by Spivak on Monday October 26, 2020 @11:21AM (#24897112)
Well until you need mixed scaling and then it completely falls down.
Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by WesolyKubeczek on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @04:12AM (#24905344)
That’s why I have triple-4k monitor setup. Also good for the eyes.

Mixed scaling? Is that that thing when you open chrome and it’s blurry on your hidpi monitor?

Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by javier2 on Sunday October 25, 2020 @09:17PM (#24891872)
To be fair, triple monitors barely work on my macbook
Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by dotancohen on Sunday October 25, 2020 @07:29PM (#24891118)
On Kubuntu 20.04, and honestly ever since I first tried it from Kubuntu 16.04 on up, multi-monitor support has been terrific for me. Maybe Gnome has problems, but not KDE on X.
Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by msla on Sunday October 25, 2020 @08:40PM (#24891608)
X works for me on systems with multi-month uptimes (dictated by software updates that have nothing to do with X) and networking windows over the Internet, something RDP (and, to the best of my knowledge, Wayland) is incapable of. Meanwhile, Wayland doesn't run the software I want to run and doesn't run on the hardware I own.
Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday October 26, 2020 @09:45AM (#24896077)
RDP can be used for individual applications.
Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by copperx on Sunday October 25, 2020 @06:41PM (#24890717)
You need to purchase an AMD graphics card for Wayland, though.
Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by WesolyKubeczek on Sunday October 25, 2020 @07:31PM (#24891128)
Not necessarily. I’ve got a WX4150 and Wayland has problems with it.
Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by WesolyKubeczek on Sunday October 25, 2020 @06:43PM (#24890729)
Just curious, what was your browser again?
Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by horsawlarway on Sunday October 25, 2020 @07:12PM (#24890976)
I use the Ozone build of Chromium, available on AUR - https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/chromium-ozone/

It's a painful first compile, but the only issues I've hit have been a few menus in the extension debugging screens that are too small.

Re:The X.Org Server Is Abandonware? by WesolyKubeczek on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @04:14AM (#24905352)
Well, not your typical end user routine I guess. I’d like that in mainstream distros please, without having to edit .desktop files to shove in all the commandline flags.