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Re:Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story by missedthecue on Sunday October 25, 2020 @03:13PM (#24889021)
Should T Mobile or Verizon be able to censor your phone calls and text messages if they don't like the content? After all, they're private companies as well.
Re:Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story by sagichmal on Sunday October 25, 2020 @07:33PM (#24891157)
They're common carriers, a different set of rules apply.
Re:Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story by commandlinefan on Sunday October 25, 2020 @07:49PM (#24891278)
ISPs are private companies, too. Should they be suppressing political information as well?
Re:Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story by triceratops on Monday October 26, 2020 @01:36AM (#24893098)
ISPs are not common carriers and legally they can suppress political information. Guess under whose administration they stopped being common carriers?
Re:Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story by tracer4201 on Sunday October 25, 2020 @10:45PM (#24892396)
For one, ISPs aren’t social media companies. If my ISP censors information, then effectively I have no way to access that information, particularly in cases when there’s no other ISP in my area.

A social media platform banning certain content is different. Just as we have alt right media sources such as Breitbart, nothing is preventing you from starting your own social media platform, with whatever content you want or don’t want.

At the end of the day, you still have a variety of content sources on the internet to consume that same content. Twitter is not the only source of information, and if you believe it is, then we have more serious problems.

I was literally banned from r/conservative for posting a question that folks found very inconvenient. Should they be forced to reverse the ban? How far do you believe is too far?

In my opinion, this is pretty clear cut. If you don’t like Twitter’s policies, don’t use their website.

I’m surprised the free enterprise conservatives are actually the ones so against this. “We want government to get out of the way... unless it furthers our agenda and helps us stay in power, in which case, let’s threaten to regulate or break up private companies.”

Re:Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story by bialpio on Monday October 26, 2020 @01:16AM (#24893033)
> In my opinion, this is pretty clear cut. If you don’t like Twitter’s policies, don’t use their website.

On one hand yes, but on the other, does that also apply to other services? Can I open a shop only for <insert skin color> people only and claim that if you don't like it, go somewhere else? How about other categories, protected or otherwise? As a society, we already agree that there are some freedoms that private businesses are denied, and for good reasons, because when taken to the extremes, you end up with this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nur_f%C3%BCr_Deutsche.

> A social media platform banning certain content is different. Just as we have alt right media sources such as Breitbart, nothing is preventing you from starting your own social media platform, with whatever content you want or don’t want.

Not really - you can start your own media outlet and selectively run the stories you want, that's fine. But if you just regurgitate user-generated content, IMO you better be really careful about applying your own rules consistently and in a transparent manner.

Re:Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story by triceratops on Monday October 26, 2020 @01:44AM (#24893141)
> Can I open a shop only for <insert skin color> people only and claim that if you don't like it, go somewhere else? How about other categories, protected or otherwise?

You're missing the fine distinction between protected and non-protected categories. Discrimination based on what you are is banned - those constitute the protected categories. Sex, gender, national origin, race, family status, veteran status, religion, and sexual orientation all fall under things you are.

Business and private organizations however, are allowed to discriminate against their customers based on their actions. It gets fuzzier if those actions intersect with a protected category (e.g. a supermarket probably (IANAL) can't throw out a gay couple for family-friendly PDA if a hetero couple would be allowed to stay). But by and large, if you do or say something on my premises that I dislike, I can kick you out.

Imagine if weren't so. Anyone could disrupt religious services by shouting obscenities. You couldn't have a peaceful shopping trip or grocery run. It would be total chaos.

Re:Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story by bialpio on Monday October 26, 2020 @01:06PM (#24898416)
So can I be banned from a social media platform if it so happens that I am a member of a church that forbids something and it so happens that I am vocal about it?

> But by and large, if you do or say something on my premises that I dislike, I can kick you out.

It cannot be a fuzzy "I dislike what you do", as it is prone to selective enforcement (and I can still discriminate based on what you are, but maintaining plausible deniability).

Re:Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story by triceratops on Monday October 26, 2020 @03:59PM (#24900628)
I have no idea, legally speaking, what they would be permitted to do.

In reality what they would actually do would depend on what that "something" is. If it's something like "don't eat meat on odd-numbered dates", you're probably fine. On the other hand, you say something harmful or distasteful to other protected categories, you'd be lucky to keep your account. They'd weigh the harm to you of kicking you off versus the harm to others by letting you stay and (of course) the PR liability incurred by doing either.

If the discrimination criteria are broadly found to match up with a protected class you're in legal hot water. IOW using proxies for "plausible deniability" is a risky strategy and businesses have been punished in the past for doing it.

> It cannot be a fuzzy "I dislike what you do", as it is prone to selective enforcement

You're right it can be. But again, consider the alternative on online forums. Anyone could post porn or vulgarity on religious forums, or socialist propaganda on business forums. It would be very disruptive if selective enforcement weren't allowed.

Re:Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story by hackinthebochs on Sunday October 25, 2020 @06:59PM (#24890862)
The difference is that social media aren't neutral communication channels when the visibility of a communication is altered by likes and algorithms.
Re:Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story by ethanwillis on Sunday October 25, 2020 @09:51PM (#24892064)
DMs don't have their visibility modulated in the same way as the main feed.
Re:Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story by tracer4201 on Sunday October 25, 2020 @04:30PM (#24889634)
I would say yes. If they censor my calls, I would switch providers. But more importantly, if we as a country believe that’s wrong, we should pass legislation
Re:Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story by Negitivefrags on Sunday October 25, 2020 @06:13PM (#24890464)
There is legislation. It’s called common carrier. The argument is this existing legislation should be extended to social media as well.
Re:Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story by amanaplanacanal on Sunday October 25, 2020 @09:06PM (#24891810)
We can’t even get it applied to ISP’s, I don’t know how we could stretch it to social media.

My guess is that any legislation attempting to make social media common carriers would eventually be found to unconstitutionally abridge the first amendment.