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Re:Hackers hijack and publish mental health data of hundreds... by jokethrowaway on Sunday October 25, 2020 @01:42PM (#24888207)
That's mostly incorrect. Only Gender Identity Disorder -> Gender Dysphoria happened in the last 2 decades.

CBT is great and I personally benefited from it, but it's not a recent phenomenon and its effectiveness is very hard to evaluate. There was a meta-study analysis in 2015 that pointed at a decline in its effectiveness between 1977 and 2014. I wonder whether it's because studying anything to do with a human brain is hard and we can't trust the numbers or if it's because of changes in society that caused people's personality to shift in a direction which makes CBT less effective.

Autism and schizophrenia were differentiated in 1980, so that's not in the last 2 decades.

Homosexuality stopped being a mental illness in 1973 (or 1987 if you include sexual orientation disturbance), so that's not in the last 2 decades. This was a great success, there were studies that pointed at a marked decrease in suicides among people in same-sex relationship over time.

Gender Identity Disorder stopped being a mental illness in 2013 but I think the issue has been politicised and the outcome doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense. I can bring a personal anecdote from a friend of mine who started using a female name for a period and wanted to perform a reaffirmation surgery, who later changed his mind.

- Most kids who experience gender dysphoria before puberty grow out of it.

- Suicide rates are high even after reaffirmation surgery and even in western societies, which are accepting of transgenders. Moreover, if discrimination was the cause of suicide rates, I think we would see a high suicide rate in minorities. There is way more discrimination towards people of color than towards transgender.

- If Gender Identity Disorder is not a mental illness, shouldn't we be consistent and label Body Integrity Dysphoria (aka people who believe they're amputee) as diversity and approve of cutting off of healthy limbs?

I'm skeptical on including this as a win for the field.

Re:Hackers hijack and publish mental health data of hundreds... by pessimizer on Sunday October 25, 2020 @03:45PM (#24889290)
> Homosexuality stopped being a mental illness in 1973 (or 1987 if you include sexual orientation disturbance), so that's not in the last 2 decades. This was a great success, there were studies that pointed at a marked decrease in suicides among people in same-sex relationship over time.

And while it's progress for psychology itself, and good for society, it's certainly not an achievement. People were killing themselves and being institutionalized because psychologists were calling them insane, and this stopped happening when psychology chose to stop calling them insane. I can't claim an important discovery in abuse prevention if I choose to stop abusing someone.

Re:Hackers hijack and publish mental health data of hundreds... by LudwigNagasena on Sunday October 25, 2020 @01:53PM (#24888302)
> There was a meta-study analysis in 2015 that pointed at a decline in its effectiveness between 1977 and 2014. I wonder whether it's because studying anything to do with a human brain is hard and we can't trust the numbers or if it's because of changes in society that caused people's personality to shift in a direction which makes CBT less effective.

Another theory is that methodology doesn’t matter and the result mostly depends on personal qualities of the psychiatrist. And CBT was effective because the best specialists adopted it. When the rest of the profession caught up effectiveness went down.

Re:Hackers hijack and publish mental health data of hundreds... by pessimizer on Sunday October 25, 2020 @04:04PM (#24889446)
That's intriguing. Is there a name for a process like that? Because I can imagine that it happens a lot.
Re:Hackers hijack and publish mental health data of hundreds... by LudwigNagasena on Sunday October 25, 2020 @08:58PM (#24891742)
In psychotherapy it is called the Dodo bird verdict: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodo_bird_verdict
Re:Hackers hijack and publish mental health data of hundreds... by est31 on Sunday October 25, 2020 @07:02PM (#24890899)
> Homosexuality stopped being a mental illness in 1973 (or 1987 if you include sexual orientation disturbance)

Depends on your country. The WHO's ICD-9 document, published in 1977, still included homosexuality as a disease. It was removed in ICD-10, but it was only published in 1990. Countries adopted it in the 1990s and early 2000s. Germany belongs to the group which adopted it in the 2000s. So yes, it happened in the last 20 years.

Re:Hackers hijack and publish mental health data of hundreds... by manquer on Monday October 26, 2020 @04:53AM (#24894053)
There are still plenty of countries and significant chunk of the conservatative US which treats it like a illness, that's not the point.

The discussion about 2decades seems to about accepted academic outcome not policy execution, which is always varied.

FGM or homeopathy or chinese medicine is still a problem in many parts of the world. We don't think validaty of science or anatomy depends on your country.

Re:Hackers hijack and publish mental health data of hundreds... by est31 on Monday October 26, 2020 @01:31PM (#24898702)
Definitely, science shouldn't depend on the country, but the USA isn't the world either, and the person I was replying to equated the USA with the world. At least they should have used the year when ICD-10 came out.
Re:Hackers hijack and publish mental health data of hundreds... by manquer on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @02:04AM (#24904839)
Yes, you are right , there is fairly blurry line on when something becomes accepted .

ICD-10 could be one unambiguous way to classify.

Re:Hackers hijack and publish mental health data of hundreds... by TeaDrunk on Sunday October 25, 2020 @01:58PM (#24888333)
1) I wasn't aware couple meant literally in the past 20 years and not the past handful (which to me would be anything within recent memory).

2) Transgender people do not have the legal protections that people of color do. There have only recently been laws to protect transgender people to be employed, have healthcare, etc. on the federal level- and what protections exist can be easily stripped away due to "moral disagreement" of the employer. You cannot refuse as an employer to give a black woman healthcare because you have a "moral disagreement" with her being black.