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Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by CyanLite2 on Friday October 23, 2020 @04:09PM (#24873465)
Florida is one of the few states that are reporting mail-in ballots the night of the election. They've already started counting them and tabulating the results. After polls close, they press a button and it spits out the final results. With early voting getting nearly 60% of all registered voters in FL, I suspect we'll get 99% of precincts reporting FL numbers within 30-45 minutes after the polls close. Thus, I personally think we're going to know fairly quickly who wins the presidency.

Some other states like PA aren't even allowed to touch mail-in ballots til the morning of Nov 3rd. That's millions of envelopes that have to be opened, signatures verified, and then the ballot itself has to be unfolded and flattened and then pushed through the tabulation machines. But we don't have to fully wait til those are official--we can tell by the party registration on the ElectionsProject website who won based on in-person voting plus party mail-in.

Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by speeder on Friday October 23, 2020 @06:22PM (#24874934)
The signature verification part was dropped by court. And to be honest I don't understand why.
Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by hellotomyrars on Friday October 23, 2020 @09:08PM (#24876052)
The idea of it is kind of farcical to being with. How do you verify hundreds of thousands of signatures in the first place?

It might be a science at a forensic level for investigations, but at this scale? I don't think so.

Also while I'm not going to imply I'm a typical case, I am not capable of writing a consistent signature due to a neurological condition. I think I still deserve a vote.

Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by akhosravian on Saturday October 24, 2020 @03:11AM (#24877512)
Washington uses signatures for our all mail in elections. When I’ve phoned in my signature (read just a line instead of something even vaguely resembling my usual mess) it has been challenged. I also forgot to sign/drop my ballot one time and had my wife sign it. That one was also challenged.

When challenged you have to reaffirm you submitted the ballot. You only “lose” your vote if you fail to respond.

YMMV but it seems to work pretty well here.

Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by hellotomyrars on Saturday October 24, 2020 @04:36AM (#24877803)
This is my first time voting in Washington!

That’s interesting to know. what method do they contact you to and how big is your window to respond?

Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by rayiner on Friday October 23, 2020 @11:20PM (#24876693)
Is it farcical? Signature verification is the only thing they use in Maryland. You just go up and write in your address and sign. I don’t know how reliable signatures are but people assure me that not requiring ID is fine because there are signatures: https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/poli...

> Such signature comparison has long been deemed sufficiently reliable to legitimate absentee ballots and provisional ballots, and there is no reason to believe that it is any less reliable for confirming the identity of individuals voting in person.

Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by hellotomyrars on Saturday October 24, 2020 @04:32AM (#24877785)
This says nothing about the process itself, just a simple statement that it works. Maybe an actual description of the process would be more convincing to me, but this by itself doesn’t mean anything to me.
Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by codyb on Friday October 23, 2020 @07:13PM (#24875382)
My guess would be an inability on the part of those who wanted inconsistent signatures to be a valid reason for throwing out a ballot to show evidence that such a move would prevent widespread fraud, and a significant amount of data on the part of those arguing that signature verification would instead disproportionately throw out qualified ballots filled out by people whose signatures vary sometimes (my certainly does).
Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by yellow_postit on Friday October 23, 2020 @07:14PM (#24875388)
My hypothesis is signature verification where it’s minimally trained individuals doing the comparison seems quite open for inaccuracies. I couldn’t find any large scale studies though looking into this.
Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by pavlov on Friday October 23, 2020 @07:15PM (#24875392)
I’m 40 and trying to imagine what my signature looked like twenty years ago. Probably rather different.

It would suck to have my vote thrown away because some overworked election worker looks at it for a second and decides the letter P is bent the wrong way compared to the 1999 version.

Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by codezero on Friday October 23, 2020 @11:16PM (#24876664)
Agree strongly, also, nobody ever told me my signature was significant. I’ve never had a “signature” and nobody has ever told me I needed to. The scrawl on the back of credit cards used to be checked in 2000-2010 but not since, and even then I just scribbled.

Learning that votes are thrown out based on this just shows how “special” the US system is. I assume historically they just decided “hard to read” names got thrown out.

Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by pavlov on Saturday October 24, 2020 @12:39AM (#24876991)
It’s not hard to imagine that many of those hard to read names historically just happened to belong to minorities. American states have a sordid history of using ambiguous laws for vote suppression.
Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by Balgair on Friday October 23, 2020 @06:54PM (#24875215)
Unanimously dropped by the State Supreme Court. Not one justice voted to require signatures.
Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by Kye on Friday October 23, 2020 @08:58PM (#24876001)
Integrity theater exists to suppress turnout for the party that wins when people turn out to vote and is primarily supported by the party that wins by suppressing the vote. It only does this. It does nothing to lower the already insignificant amount of voter fraud.
Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by abraae on Friday October 23, 2020 @08:21PM (#24875790)
We verify signatures as part of our service (online background checks).

It's an entirely human process and imprecise might be the best word for it.

Re:Electoral College Decision Tree by iainmerrick on Friday October 23, 2020 @06:28PM (#24874981)
If Biden wins Florida, Biden has very likely won the whole election, but if Trump wins Florida it becomes a toss-up. So I think we’ll only know the result early if it’s Biden.