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Re:Whose Computer Is It? by schoen on Thursday October 22, 2020 @07:03PM (#24864237)
> People on this site - technical people with the ability to make a difference - seem to be getting to the point where they care.

Really? I feel like there's more support for locked-down hardware, proprietary software, devices where the owner doesn't get as much access or control as the manufacturer, etc., on HN now than there was in the past. I feel like a decade ago it was fairly common conventional wisdom among HN readers that you ought to have root on your devices, that jailbreaking or reverse engineering restricted devices is actively good, that the trends toward less owner control are alarming, etc.

Re:Whose Computer Is It? by webmobdev on Thursday October 22, 2020 @08:51PM (#24865016)
> Really? I feel like there's more support for locked-down hardware, proprietary software, devices where the owner doesn't get as much access or control as the manufacturer, etc., on HN now than there was in the past.

What you are describing is how social media marketing works - for both politics and business (aka Astroturfing - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/feb/08/what-i... ).

One of my friend works for an advertising company who specialises in social media marketing. Their clients have a budget of 100,000 to 250,000 per month for only hiring people to post on social networks! The job includes identifying all negative posts about the company or its product or business model, and to politely rebut it and offer the company's point of view. Or to just plainly promote the product / services / company on the social media platform to create a buzz. Unethical social media marketers go beyond this - their job includes creating and supporting a negative campaign against their client's competitors.

As the former Google CEO said, social media works like an "amplifier for idiots". I'd rather not comment on whether we are all idiots here, but I am sure none of us can deny the "amplifying" effect of a message here on HN or other social media platforms.

Re:Whose Computer Is It? by bartvk on Friday October 23, 2020 @06:46AM (#24868055)
Please check the guidelines (at the bottom of most pages) and search for astroturfing.
Re:Whose Computer Is It? by fauigerzigerk on Friday October 23, 2020 @07:20AM (#24868274)
My interpretation of the guidelines is that you shouldn't use accusations of astroturfing against a specific comment you disagree with, because you cannot know in any particular instance whether or not it is indeed astroturfing.

I don't think the guidelines are meant to ban all discussion of astroturfing in general as a marketing tool.

Re:Whose Computer Is It? by webmobdev on Sunday October 25, 2020 @05:55PM (#24890275)
Thank you for pointing that out to me. I had indeed forgotten the guideliness and needed a refresher.
Re:Whose Computer Is It? by eptcyka on Thursday October 22, 2020 @09:41PM (#24865235)
There are users who can see the security benefits of such a system. And if you use your computre like an appliance to exchange data and authorize purchases, it's not too bad of an idea to use an appliance.

But my opinion is the exact opposite, Apple is not getting a penny of mine until they give their users the freedom that they deserve. General purpose computing devices should allow people to compute generally, without the blessing of some corporate deity.

Re:Whose Computer Is It? by noobermin on Friday October 23, 2020 @03:28AM (#24866868)
There was a rise in this in the mid 10's but the last few years, I'm finding more people who support things like right to repair for example.
Re:Whose Computer Is It? by zepto on Thursday October 22, 2020 @08:13PM (#24864780)
There are also those who think both options are valuable.

A lot of the polarization to me seems like it stems from the fear that one threatens the other.