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Re:GM sells out first year of electric Hummer production by virgilp on Thursday October 22, 2020 @11:49AM (#24859318)
> and can barely be bothered to enter the electric car market.

WHAT?

Volvo is I think the only traditional car producer that sells absolutely no ICE-only vehicles (all of them are at the very least "mild hybrid"). Its declared goal is to be electric-only, and they certainly seem to be making good progress on that. Sure, they're not Tesla, but I think it's unfair to compare them with Hummer.

[edit] here are their (public) goals: https://www.volvocars.com/intl/why-volvo/human-innovation/el...

- Since 2019, all cars electrified, all cars available in "plug in hybrid" version

- 2020, launch full electric vehicles (they did, XC40)

- Their goal is 50% plugin hybrid, 50% full electric by 2025

Re:GM sells out first year of electric Hummer production by rconti on Thursday October 22, 2020 @12:38PM (#24859949)
As a car enthusiast, I had absolutely no idea of any of this. They're apparently doing a good job hiding it.
Re:GM sells out first year of electric Hummer production by theshrike79 on Thursday October 22, 2020 @01:38PM (#24860723)
They're just not making a huge fuss about it.

This is the same company that released the seat belt patent to public domain[1], just to make stuff safer for everyone.

[1]https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/u-s-patent-issue...

Re:GM sells out first year of electric Hummer production by fomine3 on Thursday October 22, 2020 @08:26PM (#24864887)
IMO Volvo is most hype-less car manufacturer.
Re:GM sells out first year of electric Hummer production by rconti on Friday October 23, 2020 @02:17PM (#24872263)
Well, I still want a rebel blue polestar v60 wagon, but they brought so few to the US they're hard to get.
Re:GM sells out first year of electric Hummer production by rsync on Thursday October 22, 2020 @12:46PM (#24860059)
Hybrid cars are stop-gap, bullshit technology that we should have weaned ourselves from 5-6 years ago. Not only do they marry all the complexity of an ICE vehicle to the electric car, but in the specific case of Volvo (with their extremely high tolerance, low displacement high output motors (YES, turbo and supercharged)) involves even greater complexity.

Volvo and their inability to commit to electric (and all of the marketing and advertising to the contrary) is a master class in the reality of incumbent ICE manufacturers. It also shows how much of the volvo branding and market segment is just bullshit.

"Their goal is 50% plugin hybrid, 50% full electric by 2025"

Yes, we all saw those press releases but the reality is the actual volvo cars (V60, V90, XC90, S60, S80) will be the hybrids[1] and the space-tron eMobility iDrive ecoTrans "initiative" cars will be the electric ones.

Show me an actual volvo (not a space-tron concept car and not their little XC40 golf cart) that is electric and I will happily recant (and go purchase one).

[1] With tiny, loud, high vibration lawnmower engines mated to turbos and blowers.

Re:GM sells out first year of electric Hummer production by gamblor956 on Thursday October 22, 2020 @01:42PM (#24860800)
Considering that most apartment and condo dwellers don't have the option of recharging their vehicles at night, and that the electrical grid would not be capable of charging that many cars simultaneously even if the charging stations were in place, switching to EV-only sales is still years into the future.

Hybrids may not be perfect, but they're better than the alternative of ICE-only vehicles, and the sale of hybrid consumer vehicles has done wonderful things for air quality in CA (wildfires notwithstanding).

Re:GM sells out first year of electric Hummer production by fomine3 on Thursday October 22, 2020 @08:29PM (#24864895)
World with MHEV/HEV/PHEV is far better than the world only has ICE and EV. It's not possible to ship ten million EVs, and we're not enough rich to buy EV at this time. HV uses less battery cells than EV so they can ship many efficient cars with fewer cells.