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Re:Why Was She So Hated?: How Marie Antoinette Tried to Save... by Retric on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @10:55PM (#24854468)
Slave revolts have been common throughout history, and while largely unsuccessful they disagree with your assessment. Revolutions start at every level of society from the aristocracy, poor, military, or intellectuals. What sustains revolutions behind the initial conflict is often propaganda.
Re:Why Was She So Hated?: How Marie Antoinette Tried to Save... by barry-cotter on Thursday October 22, 2020 @12:06AM (#24854785)
> Slave revolts have been common throughout history, and while largely unsuccessful they disagree with your assessment.

Here is a complete list of all historically attested successful slave revolts: Haiti, 1791

That’s it. Revolutions require leadership. Overwhelming that’s going to be the educated or otherwise reasonably comfortable, or those who were recently so and want it back. Peasant revolts fail without leaders, who are either going to be nobles or bourgeois. Those who can’t organize can’t win and a bureaucracy requires literate men, who are very unlikely to be poor. Revolutions win. Slave revolts not so much.

Re:Why Was She So Hated?: How Marie Antoinette Tried to Save... by Retric on Thursday October 22, 2020 @09:56AM (#24858047)
Slaves actually called slaves where relatively uncommon in history. Include peasant uprisings and several more become relevant. However, the important bit for US isn’t the long term results it’s the chaos involved in these civil wars.

The Third Servile War for example grew from 70 slave-gladiators to ~120,000 men in 2 years and won several significant battles vs the Roman Army. You really don’t want to see the modern version of that kind of fighting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Servile_War

Re:Why Was She So Hated?: How Marie Antoinette Tried to Save... by barry-cotter on Thursday October 22, 2020 @10:31AM (#24858414)
> Slaves actually called slaves where relatively uncommon in history.

I really don’t think this is true. Human property varied in how common it was but the institution existed in every agricultural society I’m aware of up until at least three 1600s when serfdom died out in England. That’s probably the first society in which humans were not held as property. Western Europe was also likely the first agricultural society not to have chattel slavery but I’m less confident. Certainly slavery was practiced in the Moslem world into the 1900s and well attested all over Asia and in most of Africa and the Americas.

Re:Why Was She So Hated?: How Marie Antoinette Tried to Save... by Retric on Thursday October 22, 2020 @11:41AM (#24859204)
when serfdom died out in England You’re equating serfdom with slavery when my point is separating slavery by name excludes such classes. India and China for example where very stratified societies, but slavery was effectively a separate and less common institution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_India

Anyway, by relatively uncommon I mean compared to the US concept of slavery where they made up a huge chunk of the southern workforce and could be sold between individuals.

Re:Why Was She So Hated?: How Marie Antoinette Tried to Save... by Alenycus on Friday October 23, 2020 @11:27AM (#24870470)
The third servile war was hardly successful. They all ended up literally crucified.
Re:Why Was She So Hated?: How Marie Antoinette Tried to Save... by MeinBlutIstBlau on Thursday October 22, 2020 @09:13AM (#24857629)
I'll wait for your list of slave revolts that actually cause a revolution in the ruling class. I know it won't take you long.

Revolutions need leaders, like the other person who commented. There isn't enough wealth aristocrats that can lead, so they stem from the middle class. The middle class tend to have lower class friends. They can very easily sway them to their cause. Now multiply that by tens of millions of middle class that suddenly became unemployed.

Unemployed artists can make propaganda, programmers can make websites and portray this information at the forefront everywhere (think the whole black lives matter flags everywhere), business people assemble and manage large groups of people, scientists devote their time to studies on working class struggles and less on scientific endeavors, etc. The lower class can't do any of that stuff. They don't know how and never had the time to figure out.

This is the very reason why Hitler rose to power through the NSDAP. He did this stuff and appealed to the right aristocrats. The NSDAP grew and unemployed middle class members peacefully revolted by joining them because they wanted their old pre-WWI lives back. They hated hyperinflation owed due to the Treaty of Versaille basically imposed on their government an impossible to pay burden which cause currency debasement galore in order to pay it back. This in turn create hyperinflation that essentially decimated the working class. The money they had no longer could buy the things they wanted. Now they have nothing but an education and time.