Re:Localisation is too hard for Gmail
by joshuamorton on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @12:39PM
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Then what happens when you create a custom label "bin" and relocalize to british?
Re:Localisation is too hard for Gmail
by ta1234567890 on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @03:26PM
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Who knows, and why do you care?
That's something that the highly paid engineers at Google should figure out, not something that random Internet people on HN should have to figure out when replying to your comment.
Re:Localisation is too hard for Gmail
by joshuamorton on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @03:40PM
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My point is that we've had 5 people suggest different mutually incompatible, and all subtly broken, solutions to this "simple" problem. Perhaps the solution Gmail settled on wasn't done so out of naïveté.
Five people just throwing ideas off the top of their head in their free time. That only makes Google not having any solution with years and billions look all the worse.
prefix the localized bin for users with an existing bin
Re:Localisation is too hard for Gmail
by joshuamorton on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @01:17PM
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What? We're taking about tags, so if I create a custom "bin" label and move to england, what do I type to see my trash?
Re:Localisation is too hard for Gmail
by robotresearcher on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @01:42PM
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Reserve a system label prefix e.g. '_' and forbid users to create labels with that prefix. Then the labels '_Trash' and '_Bin' are exact aliases, and users can't accidentally collide with them.
Re:Localisation is too hard for Gmail
by joshuamorton on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @01:52PM
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Ah so now I have to search in _Trash instead of in Trash which makes label discovery and use worse and confusing for all users.
No. The point is that the search language has to be localized. When you type in:bin in en_GB or in:trash in en_US, the system has to work out that you mean _Trash. Doesn't seem that hard.
Re:Localisation is too hard for Gmail
by joshuamorton on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @02:35PM
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But what if you have a custom label bin or trash?
Re:Localisation is too hard for Gmail
by robotresearcher on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @02:58PM
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In en_US 'Trash' is an alias for '_Trash' but 'bin' is not.
But yes, it's getting complicated. I can see why they just stopped with changing the GUI labels and left the workings in canonical US mode.
this basically boils down to "because they didn't consider internationalization or localization when coding it."
It is NOT a valid excuse for this not working from what was already a multinational company when GMail was introduced.
> Now they have a bin and a trash, with different things in!
translation: "but there's tech debt"
Not an excuse. Especially from a company with enough money to fix it without even noticing the effect on their bottom line. It didn't have to be coded to have the concept have a 1:1 correspondence to the name. "spam" and "trash" could have been conceptual objects with multiple localized interfaces for humans.