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Re:Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu ... by tpxl on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @04:35PM (#24842102)
>hiding URLs does protect users from phishing

Real question: how? I would expect it to be the opposite, a perfect phishing site will have the wrong URL.

Re:Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu ... by Spivak on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @04:46PM (#24842215)
Because it's not really "hiding the URL" despite what all the outrage bloggers tried to make it seem. It's by default (i.e. until you tap/click it) hiding the parts of the URL that the site controls. So paypal.amazon.citibank.scamsite.biz/secure/login/trustus will just show scamsite.biz.
Re:Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu ... by dumpsterdiver on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @08:16PM (#24843674)
My first instinct was to distrust the hide-until-click URL bar also, but you've illustrated clearly why it's a reasonable default. It mitigates the effect of malicious websites playing URL games, and allows the browser to more accurately convey to the user where they really are.
Re:Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu ... by dumpsterdiver on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @08:22PM (#24843710)
To drive your point home, paypal.amazon.citibank.scamsite.biz/secure/login/trustus will likely have a perfectly valid certificate, along with the trusted green closed-lock before the URL, implying that the site is "secure".
Re:Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu ... by wool_gather on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @01:04PM (#24849799)
Safari does not behave as you've described. The subdomain (for example, 'gist' in 'gist.github.com') is displayed.
Re:Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu ... by saagarjha on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @05:08PM (#24852201)
I suspect that Safari uses Public Suffix or similar for that.
Re:Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu ... by greycol on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @04:49PM (#24842238)
google.com.evilwebsite.example?=google.com

Oh that has google in it (twice even) we can go there.

There's also arguments that URLs are too complex for normal people to understand.

I agree with you though, hiding or redirecting URLs is the opposite of protecting users from phishing.

Re:Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu ... by pdkl95 on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @08:32PM (#24843762)
> google.com.evilwebsite.example?=google.com

This was solved a decade ago by rendering the 2nd+1st level domains (and sometimes other parts of the URL) in a different style.

> There's also arguments that URLs are too complex for normal people to understand.

That argument is an insulting attempt to justify a form of illiteracy[1]. Most people don't need to know all of the technical features of a URL; they just need to be able to use it as an address and recognize basic features like the hostname.

Street addresses are a good analogy. Most people understand the basics easily even though physical addresses are far more complex[2] than URLs!

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7694919

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7695735