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Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by junon on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @10:42AM (#24837878)
Google acting like this is a programming error. Any programmer would know this would have to be an edge case, perfect-storm type of bug for it to just magically decide google.com and youtube.com are not included in the wipe.

I call bullshit. Google is an evil company, this is nothing new.

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by dlgeek on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:04AM (#24838150)
Well...they already treat Google and Youtube as special, because logging into them also logs you into the browser as well. It wouldn't surprise me if that special-ness had unintended consequences and that's the bug.

It /also/ wouldn't surprise me if it's exactly the way you describe.

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by junon on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:08AM (#24838202)
Circumventing otherwise strict security rules for their own domains is shady in its own right.

In either scenario, it's equally bad.

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by shadowgovt on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:33AM (#24838550)
> Circumventing otherwise strict security rules for their own domains is shady in its own right.

In most fights between adding a user feature and protecting user privacy, if the feature cannot be added otherwise, feature wins. It's only "shady" if you're already assuming the feature vendor is a hostile actor.

The consistent Chrome experience enabled by logging the browser in is hells useful (especially in this era of mobile device + desktop device; no more having to remember if I bookmarked that article on my phone or my desktop or my work PC, etc.).

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by junon on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:35AM (#24838574)
> In most fights between adding a user feature and protecting user privacy, if the feature cannot be added otherwise, feature wins.

/Not/ protecting user privacy is always shady, regardless of who the actor is. When done knowingly, it's almost always hostile.

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by shadowgovt on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:38AM (#24838607)
The easiest way to protect user privacy is to never implement any features. Can't hack what isn't there.

Once we assume that's not the decision that'll be made (because obviously), the question becomes whether the feature can be implemented at all while respecting user privacy.

And if the answer is yes, we can expect it to happen.

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by junon on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:46AM (#24838733)
> The easiest way to protect user privacy is to never implement any features.

I don't subscribe to this school of thought, personally. I suppose that's where our differences lay.

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by shadowgovt on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @12:31PM (#24839364)
>> The easiest way to protect user privacy is to never implement any features. > I don't subscribe to this school of thought, personally.

What school of thought do you subscribe to? I had assumed that this

> /Not/ protecting user privacy is always shady

... being an absolutist statement, meant that you were open to the easiest way of protecting user privacy, which is "Don't increase the security surface area at all," i.e. add no new features.

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by londons_explore on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:30AM (#24838510)
The commit that did this ~4 years ago was very much in the open, and had rationale in the commit message.

I think it's pretty sad that nobody here has linked to it... It's as if the people who care about this stuff aren't the same ones who write and review code for a living...

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by _qulr on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @06:04PM (#24842797)
Incorrect. The commit was 5 months ago, and it's linked here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24841118
Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by junon on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:32AM (#24838529)
You could have linked it yourself to refute what I said, then. But you didn't. You didn't waste any time insulting someone, though.
Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by furyofantares on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:29AM (#24838474)
> Any programmer would know

On the other hand, a very large majority of the time that a programmer speculates on the internet about something that's obviously true about code I've written or am otherwise privy to, they're wrong

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by junon on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:31AM (#24838522)
> a very large majority of the time

On the other other hand, most vague and fabricated statistics about anecdotal, speculative or subjective topics tend to have very little weight when making a point...

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by furyofantares on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:53AM (#24838842)
Too true. I guess my point is that complex products tend to have complex interdependencies that one isn't likely to guess exist from the outside. Things that look clearly intended can easily be programming errors, things that seem like they should be easy can be hard. I think the reverse can be true too but not as often.

So I don't think the thought that any programmer would know this is a ridiculous edge case is one that holds any real weight here.

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by shadowgovt on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:31AM (#24838523)
Having seen the source code for web browsers, I'm 100% willing to believe it's a programming error.

The likeliest point of introduction is where Google added account login to the browser itself. At that point, either ambiguity of specification or failure to test as though the user thinks Google is a privacy-hostile agency (while using a browser that allows them to login to Google) could have resulted in someone adding a special case to refrain from throwing the credentials away that keep the browser logged in that inadvertantly failed to throw the credentials away that keep a session logged in.

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by junon on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:37AM (#24838594)
Why is something like browser identity (which is NOT a w3 standardization) at all linked with session identity?
Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by shadowgovt on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:38AM (#24838623)
Because code reuse is a virtue... Until it introduces an unexpected bug.
Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by AdmiralAsshat on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:15AM (#24838285)
Does this "bug" exist in the open-source Chromium as well?

Wouldn't we be able to tell when they push the fix?

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by ashtonkem on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @10:43AM (#24837894)
Honestly, it’s an insultingly bad lie on Google’s part.
Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by burnerfi5724 on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:33AM (#24838544)
As someone who works on Chrome at google and know people working on fixing it.... it really is kinda a perfect storm bug but you obviously don't have to believe me.
Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by ashtonkem on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @12:48PM (#24839574)
I could be convinced, but given Google's behavior they've lost the presumption of good faith, and the bar of evidence required to convince me that this is an accident is much higher than it would be normally.
Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by junon on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @11:47AM (#24838754)
Feel free to explain. We'd love to know.
Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by burnerfi5724 on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @01:56PM (#24840426)
https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src.git/+/f800edb...

Best context I can give is the actual CL for the fix.

Re:When you tell Chrome to wipe private data it spares Googl... by dingaling on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @07:28AM (#24846716)
That doesn't explain how the original change made it through testing without the bug being flagged.

Test clearing all private data -> not all private data cleared.