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Re:Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty pro... by sudosysgen on Monday October 19, 2020 @09:50PM (#24833241)
In general, for such industries where corporate subsidies are really really worth it, a well run SoE will do the job with less risk.

For examples in power generation, EDF and HydroQuebec are cases where the government, instead of directly or indirectly subsidizing power generation, decided to just run it themselves, and they both have very clean (80% carbon free for EDF, 99.9% for HydroQuebec), and both make a solid profit while selling the electricty at very low costs (for HydroQuebec, the lowest unsubsidized cost in the world, full stop).

Re:Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty pro... by zdragnar on Monday October 19, 2020 @10:17PM (#24833362)
Hydro is clean in the sense that clean coal is clean. You need to measure and factor in the methane generated by the decaying biome behind the dam.

We also have a lot of electrical cooperatives and other non-mega-corp electrical providers in the US. All in all, it isn't a great analogy.

Re:Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty pro... by gruez on Monday October 19, 2020 @10:23PM (#24833380)
>You need to measure and factor in the methane generated by the decaying biome behind the dam.

how much are we talking about? does it work out to about the same as other fossil fuels, or order(s) of magnitude less? Also, is it possible to mitigate this by burning the vegetation prior to flooding the area?

Re:Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty pro... by zdragnar on Monday October 19, 2020 @11:24PM (#24833663)
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/nov/14/h...

About 1.3% of all human caused gas emissions, made worse because it is primarily methane.

As for burning first, that only works for new dams, and you need to de extensive excavation to get at the roots as well- depending on the plant, upwards of half of its mass is below the surface.

Biomass decay isn't the only problem; the article also cites downstream algae blooms, which I suspect would be exacerbated by the occasional dredging necessary to keep dams from being blocked by silt.

A direct comparison to coal is tricky, because a lot depends on the type of coal burned and thr type of plant it burns in. Certainly coal isn't a clean source of energy, but it is clear that hydro isn't either.

Re:Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty pro... by sudosysgen on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @04:08PM (#24841857)
It's important to consider that Methane has a very short atmospheric half life, so that 1.3% becomes 0.06% in a few decades.

Moreso, this can be minimized.

In the end, it's clear that hydro, long term, is indeed clean, moreso than a battery+solar solution would be.

Indeed, this is 1.3% going to 0.06%, despite the fact that hydro represents almost 15% of global electricty generation.

Re:Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty pro... by User23 on Monday October 19, 2020 @10:36PM (#24833444)
Oxidizing the biocarbon to mitigate CO2 release? I think I see a bit of a flaw in that strategy.
Re:Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty pro... by gruez on Monday October 19, 2020 @11:01PM (#24833556)
I don't see why not? We flare natural gas at oil wells for this exact reason.
Re:Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty pro... by ineedasername on Monday October 19, 2020 @11:32PM (#24833693)
Natural gas burns pretty clean by comparison, and if we're taking methane, it's far better to burn it and produce those relatively low C02 amounts than let the methane into the atmosphere as it holds roughly 80 times more heat than C02.

C02 produced by biomass varies with moisture content, but is generally on the level of coal per unit of energy. Moister wood produces slightly more, dry seasoned wood slightly less than coal.