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Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by RossBencina on Saturday October 17, 2020 @03:57AM (#24808257)
Do you reboot your machine regularly as a matter of course? I do not. My desktop machine is always up -- except when I am forced to reboot by Microsoft.

As far as I'm concerned, the problem is that the system is unable to update itself without rebooting.

Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by zamalek on Saturday October 17, 2020 @04:07AM (#24808312)
> As far as I'm concerned, the problem is that the system is unable to update itself without rebooting.

You are absolutely correct! There was a brief period during XP, I think, where this was the case. Irrespective of that, reboots are a fact of life if you have Windows installed, and allowing and choosing the best time for Windows to reboot is a part of having Windows installed.

Don't use Windows if you can't deal with the reboots. Use Mac or Linux.

Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by eknkc on Saturday October 17, 2020 @04:34AM (#24808453)
Macs reboot pretty often to install updates though.

They force it on you too. I'm not sure if they ever go ahead and automatically restart / update. But the OS constantly nags you to update.

Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by FullyFunctional on Saturday October 17, 2020 @04:43AM (#24808517)
Like hell they don't. I'm still on two generation back because I don't want to loose 32-bit support. In no way has Apple force me to upgrade and the nagging is even relatively mild.
Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by ryandrake on Saturday October 17, 2020 @01:33PM (#24811614)
The nagging is getting much worse, though. You get the options "Yes," "Try in one hour," "Try tonight," and "Try tomorrow." How about I'LL UPDATE WHEN I WANT TO UPDATE. DON'T ASK AGAIN!?!?

I yearn back to the good ol days, when you would issue a command to a computer and it would execute that command and then wait for the next command. The user called the shots. Now computers do all sorts of things that their manufacturer wants, or the OS vendor wants, or the application developer wants. My desire as a user is secondary or unimportant. Automatic software installation, sudden reboots, notifications, Try YouTube Premium!, analytics collection, ads on my browser, ads in the start menu, ads inside applications, Try YouTube Premium!, Setup Cortana!, Setup Siri!, Setup Windows Defender!, Setup your Microsoft Account, Turn on virus protection, Take a Tour, Here's What's New, Keyboard Batteries Low, Disk Not Ejected Properly, Try YouTube Premium!

Just stop it!

I wish computers would stop just doing things on their own, and that I could go back to my computer only doing things that I ask it to do.

Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by brownell on Saturday October 17, 2020 @01:13PM (#24811452)
> I'm still on two generation back

Perhaps that's why you aren't asked?

Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by arm on Saturday October 17, 2020 @05:03AM (#24808636)
While macOS does constantly nag you to update, it never actually forces you to, unlike Windows 10. Hopefully, Apple won’t follow Microsoft’s lead here in Big Sur…
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Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by xlii on Saturday October 17, 2020 @05:08AM (#24808669)
Yeah, all that FUD and EEE strategy. I still hear in my head adapted saying that "you either die a hero, or live long enough to become Microsoft" (which is especially valid when one thinks about the big corps nowadays).

Younger peers think that Microsoft being evil was a fad or a meme, but I remember bribing lawsuits where Microsoft would earn literal billions of dollars shoving their software to the state offices, schools etc., and vendor locking it to the point where anything FOSS would just bork out.

Too bad we don't care for the modern corporate history as much as we do for the non-modern one.

Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by AmericanChopper on Saturday October 17, 2020 @04:07AM (#24808310)
My MacBook needs to reboot to install updates. It never bothers me though because of nice little features like letting me choose when to do it. My Windows machine seems to reboot anytime I take my eyes of it for a few seconds.
Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by RossBencina on Saturday October 17, 2020 @04:28AM (#24808420)
My Windows machine lets me defer updates for up to 30 days. I do that. But then I have to go through a whole dance of updating, rebooting, deferring for 30 days, then putting all of my workspaces back together.
Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by AmericanChopper on Saturday October 17, 2020 @04:39AM (#24808490)
If I wanted basic functionality to be locked behind tedious admin tasks, I'd just install a Linux distro. As it stands, I just use Windows for games. So it's no big deal when it craps itself.
Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by alkonaut on Saturday October 17, 2020 @04:42AM (#24808511)
Does Linux allow replacing e.g graphics driver without rebooting now? I found that to be a key benefit of Windows back when their new driver model came.
Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by 2ion on Saturday October 17, 2020 @07:29AM (#24809224)
In any case, yes:

If it's a userspace-based model with kernel modules (like nvidia) - yes, you can insert/remove kernel modules without rebooting and exchange userspace libs freely.

If it's an in-kernel driver part like the i915 module that comes bundled with your distro's kernel, you can kexec the new kernel, which is simple with systemctl kexec.

It will likely require to exit and restart the graphical session though.

Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by shock on Saturday October 17, 2020 @07:24AM (#24809205)
Yes.
Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by munchbunny on Saturday October 17, 2020 @09:20AM (#24809772)
> Do you reboot your machine regularly as a matter of course? I do not. My desktop machine is always up -- except when I am forced to reboot by Microsoft.

I don’t either, but also the forced reboots only happen once a month for me, right after patch Tuesdays. I’ve found that setting updates to manual and proactively updating on that day gets rid of almost all forced reboots. Of course now you have an extra thing to remember, but it does generally fix the problem.

Re:Microsoft just force restarted my Windows PC again to ins... by vandorjw on Saturday October 17, 2020 @11:03AM (#24810471)
Same is true in Linux. Unless livepatch is enabled, kernel updates require a reboot.