We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot

Re:We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot by voqv on Friday October 16, 2020 @06:02AM (#24799282)

Afaik you buy this thing as a dashcam and then flash the self driving software on your own at your own risk. This was done exactly when "the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) demanded that Comma.ai provide proof to regulators that its proposed device for self-driving cars would be safe". [1] I wonder if there's anything new around this development with regards to Comma.ai as this is status of 2016.

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/selfdriving-safety/comma-ai-...

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Re:We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot by DoingIsLearning on Friday October 16, 2020 @06:23AM (#24799376)

> on your own at your own risk

It is not just your own risk but also that of other pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers that share the road with you.

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Re:We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot by bipson on Friday October 16, 2020 @06:37AM (#24799434)

that's not what "at your own risk" means.

"At your own risk" means you bear the risk (legally). If something happens, it is on you, and the manufacturer offloads any liability on you.

That does not imply what the risks are. Life threatening? You are risking other people's lives.

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Re:We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot by coredog64 on Friday October 16, 2020 @12:48PM (#24802572)

The legal risk should scare people. If I reflash my dash cam, then I’m the only liable party. The insurance minimums in most states are criminally low. Whereas if I’m using something built into my car, the manufacturer’s deep pockets should at least deflect most of the liability away from me.

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Re:We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot by joosters on Friday October 16, 2020 @06:54AM (#24799520)

No need to be pedantic. No-one's arguing about the meaning of 'at your own risk', it's just that your decision to use this software affects more than just yourself.

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Re:We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot by NoImmatureAdHom on Friday October 16, 2020 @08:11AM (#24799992)

I think the response you are replying to was a reaction to the possible interpretation that OpenPilot puts pedestrians etc. at increased risk, or that it put the driver at increased risk.

While a reasonable interpretation includes putting the driver at increased /legal/ risk relative to a system where the manufacturer represents it as for sale for autonomous driving, it is unreasonable to infer that this puts the driver at greater risk of being sued, having to sue, or monetary loss. OpenPilot may be better / safer than the competition such that using it lowers your risk of accident, monetary loss, etc. even including any purported loss of the ability to pass the buck to the manufacturer.

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Re:We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot by throwaway0a5e on Friday October 16, 2020 @09:20AM (#24800532)

To be fair the person they're replying to was the one who was either being pedantic of trying to score some cheap virtue points by stating the obvious (and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming the former)

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Re:We Tested Comma AI's OpenPilot by swiley on Friday October 16, 2020 @07:14AM (#24799614)

Don't you just love cars. I'm glad they gave us so much independence.

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