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Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by mewse on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:01PM (#24782720)
> Workplaces are a neutral environment

Oh, that’s good to know.

So the workplaces are going to stop contributing to political parties and lobbyists, then? I can expect that any day now? That’s good to know, thanks!

Or did you perhaps mean that it’s only the workers that ought to be “neutral” and silent in their politics? Yes, that seems more likely to be what you meant.

Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by colechristensen on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:08PM (#24782781)
Less relevant now so much WFH is going around, but I just don't want to be a captive audience to my most politically enthusiastic coworkers. I wouldn't want my employees to have to suffer each other or to have to consider political compatibility on teams. There would be reasons to have political opinions when those were relevant to the work being done or the company's actions, but it's not to much to ask people to keep their irrelevant-to-work politics out of the workplace.
Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by tossmeout on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:11PM (#24782798)
No, workers are supposed to be silent about it AT WORK. They can donate to whichever party they want outside of work.

And, presumably, if the company is making political contributions to help it accomplish its goals, I'd imagine workers could discuss that and make suggestions inside work. But when you're just discussing your personal politics, you can do it elsewhere.

Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by hyperdimension on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:15PM (#24782848)
Not, uh, Brendan Eich, though I suppose...
Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by ryanobjc on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:46PM (#24783081)
I was on the fence about the backlash, but ultimately what sealed the deal for me is his response to the situation.

As presumed-CEO and leader, he needs to have the confidence of his organization, and also the ability to address controversial difficult topics. He failed on that.

He finally did the right thing by stepping down. He would have always carried the weight of the mismanagement of the response to the employee-criticism, and that is what killed him ultimately.

A CEO position isn't a reward, it's a service position, and I believe that no one is entitled to it. (Ditto many forms of leadership) So to complain about how unfair it was to him, perhaps we should think about how unfair it was to the employees of the organization who had to deal with situation instead.

Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by dkdk8283 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:54PM (#24783155)
Are you sure he stepped down and wasn’t asked to leave due to the immense press coverage?
Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by ryanobjc on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @08:07PM (#24783251)
Only a world where the feelings of the CEO are the most important thing in the entire company does this difference really matter.

As CEO your job is (a) leadership and (b) communications. He failed at both, badly. Perhaps he should have reached out to internal resources more (HR, PR, crisis PR, etc), but these are things I expect a CEO to figure out.

I'm not teaching a new hire coder what a computer is. Nor am I teaching a CEO about PR and communications!

Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by DarthGhandi on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @09:22PM (#24783751)
Except he walked straight into another CEO position and it's never been a problem despite everyone knowing about his donation to a political group.

Literally all he did was monetarily support a cause ($3,100) in private. He was not out there making statements or instituting changes to the company.

What does that have to do with "leadership and communications"?

I certainly don't align with his political position but respect people's right to hold one without fear or favour.

It has to be one of the most egregious acts of employee activism. And look where it got Mozilla now, the politically palatable replacement has driven it into the ground while it's only held afloat with money from Google.

Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by shadowgovt on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @10:04PM (#24784025)
I have no particular reason to believe Eich would have done better than his replacement. The marketplace has not been kind to mozilla's entire business model.
Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by BrendanEich on Monday October 19, 2020 @03:55AM (#24824154)
Brave has grown every month since launch, while Firefox has shrunk. But it's all coincidence, uncorrelated, meaningless; inevitable for Firefox, and yet nothing to do with me for Brave, I'm sure. :-|
Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by onion2k on Thursday October 15, 2020 @12:16AM (#24784887)
Literally all he did was monetarily support a cause ($3,100) in private.

Political donations are not private. They're a matter of public record (a point Eich himself has agreed with in interviews).

Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by ketzo on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @09:41PM (#24783880)
Discuss the company's politics... without discussing your personal politics?
Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by shadowgovt on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @10:01PM (#24783998)
Basically this. I don't know where the idea has crept in to people's minds that work places are a politically neutral environment, but that's not a principle that holds true in general. Union shops can require their employees who are union members to phone bank for politicians the union favors.

Work is highly political and I don't think anybody has ever pretended otherwise.

I mean, hell, political campaigns themselves are workplaces too. ;)

Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by themacguffinman on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:14PM (#24782844)
> Or did you perhaps mean that it’s only the workers that ought to be “neutral” and silent in their politics? Yes, that seems more likely to be what you meant.

No, because workers are free to be non-neutral outside the workplace. Workplaces don't contribute to political parties, an environment isn't a donor. And that's the point: the workplace environment should be neutral.

Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by whimsicalism on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @08:12PM (#24783296)
> Workplaces don't contribute to political parties, an environment isn't a donor. And that's the point: the workplace environment should be neutral.

Do you think the workplace environment of Uber is neutral on prop 22?

Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by themacguffinman on Thursday October 15, 2020 @01:41AM (#24785254)
Yes. Support for prop 22 is a business decision that doesn't require the hearts and souls of every worker in Uber. I'd be surprised if Uber engineers, PMs, designers, etc - basically everyone other than public-facing leadership and the few involved in crafting Uber's public policy - were required to actively express support for prop 22 in the workplace or anywhere else. The average Uber worker should be perfectly able to go about their workday without diving into a political debate about prop 22.
Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by mancerayder on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:10PM (#24782791)
Workers have to work with other workers. If workers have to deal with overhearing other workers preaching about Trump or against Trump, against or for one race or another, maybe a gender argument, maybe whether God exists or abortion is naughty - that's a shit environment. We get paid to code or sell or manage, not to hear opinions being spewed across the room.

So it is different, despite your snarky comment. A company lobbying doesn't affect your 40, 50 hr work week.

Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by harry8 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:23PM (#24782920)
"Yeah the game was terriffic, huh? Racism, sure, I'm against it."

We're banning that from the workplace now? Land of the free!

Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by vore on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:20PM (#24782893)
If my coworkers were harboring opinions being against certain races (i.e. racism) that they simply didn't say out loud, I would certainly feel deeply uncomfortable being in their presence, and that absolutely affects my work week. Telling people to just not talk about it doesn't really make that any better: in fact, it probably makes it worse.
Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by DoofusOfDeath on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:35PM (#24783020)
Just for clarification of your point:

In the scenario you describe, how would you be aware of their racism if they didn't discuss it at work?

Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by vore on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:42PM (#24783061)
I wouldn't, and that would be much more insidious if I was some race they weren't particularly fond of.
Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by webmaven on Thursday October 15, 2020 @12:40AM (#24785004)
> In the scenario you describe, how would you be aware of their racism if they didn't discuss it at work?

Well, I suppose if there were no minority employees in that workplace, it would be kind of hard to tell, but otherwise, it often isn't that hard. And if you are in the minority, you almost certainly can tell since, in a thousand tiny subtle ways, you're constantly being told you don't belong.

Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by webmaven on Monday October 19, 2020 @08:19PM (#24832592)
Perhaps the minor amount of snark here was uncalled for, but I don't think the downvoting was appropriate.

Anyone who thinks racism is only apparent when it is being spoken is plain wrong.

Re:Google employees are free to speak up, except on antitrust by mancerayder on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @09:57PM (#24783966)
If they didn't say it out loud how would you even know, and what does it mean to harbor feelings? You read their diary? Saw it in their eyes? Used your intuition?

Aren't you worried you could be wrong if that's the standard, or someone could use that standard against you and be wrong?