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Re:The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini by ashtonkem on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @03:33PM (#24780583)
That's really not true. US political and economic thought heavily centered around individual proprietors and farmers before the civil war, and was deeply suspicious of large corporations. In some states you could only form a joint stock company for time & scope limited things, such as building a canal.

It's only after the Civil War and into the Gilded Age do we see the rise and acceptance of large scale corporations, but not without conflict. Modern readers will be surprised to know that Marx was relatively popular among Americans in the west during his lifetime (among those that read, naturally), certainly in part due to the increasingly corporate focus that the American economic system was taking at the time.

Re:The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini by ctvo on Friday October 16, 2020 @11:24AM (#24801718)
Another thing worth noting is the push back against the inequality and corruption of the Gilded Age. This time period is when we had our anti-trust laws and improvements to them [1].

The narrative that the government was always broken or in the control of corporate interests takes away agency and responsibility from individual citizens. It may be mostly true, but there's enough glimpses of when citizens were able to corral these interests that it's worth not giving up on.

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinson%E2%80%93Patman_Act

Re:The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini by Brozilean on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @03:56PM (#24780817)
Do you have a source for this? I'd love to read more.
Re:The real prices of the iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 mini by ashtonkem on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @04:13PM (#24781012)
David Graeber’s Bullshit Jobs, a Theory, around page 524 or so.

> The mechanics and tradesmen who became the foot soldiers of the American War of Independence represented themselves as producers of the wealth that they saw the British crown as looting, and after the Revolution, many turned the same language against would-be capitalists.

> When US President Abraham Lincoln delivered his first annual message to Congress in 1861, for instance, he included the following lines, which, radical though they seem to a contemporary ear, where really just a reflection of the common sense of the time:[189] “Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”

> In 1880 a Protestant “home missionary” who had spent some years traveling along the Western frontier reported that: “You can hardly find a group of ranchmen or miners from Colorado to the Pacific who will not have on their tongue’s end the labor slang of Denis Kearney, the infidel ribaldry of [atheist pamphleteer] Robert Ingersoll, the Socialistic theories of Karl Marx”