Let's first aim to give humans the option to not die after a mere 3 billion seconds. Let's aim to first increase that by a factor of 100 or more. If the heat death of the universe or which centuries to keep in memory look like they're going to be a problem, then I'll be happy devote a few millenia to the effort.
im just arguing against the immortality of the experiencer.
I say give us longer lives, that may be possible.
An immortal experiencer for /everyone/ opens up the very troublesome issue of the quality of that experience. Actually the first consciousness who was close to what your describing, got really angry because creation allowed for more than one of it - the myth of the fall of the morning star - during that part of genesis consciousness was near immortal and it was happy. It does imply the nullification/sacrifice of all others to maintain that one experience - but thats an argument for murderous madness, essentially
If we solve biological aging we then would hopefully eventually be able to buy time before we can develop mind uploading, which brings forth more of the points you outlined.
I probably should have stated the roadmap to solving aging.
You wanna know something funny? Immortality is actually an issue of how you look at things. Once you start seeing yourself as the “we” organism, as humanity itself and beyond it .. the sheer absurdity of it all overwhelms you, and a feeling of “i am infinite” fills you. Its sort of the feeling we get when we die, since the ego reveals its nature and yields to the self.
(I had sort of a near death experience, it was quiet eye opening)
So immortality - the one we can actually achieve is a shift in thinking. Non trivial yet trivial since its „the truth of what is“ as the tao would put it
If matter itself is conscious or not is hard to say, but I don't see why it isn't possible that it couldn't be.
Though then would that mean souls are the matter itself or outside of matter?, assuming the existence of souls
It starts with the tiniest particle, and regenerates the whole tree. Memory and oscilation are even basic to rocks for example. They accumulate matter aswell, just no seeminhg „awareness of experience“ yet.)
With some caution, I really recommend the book „ The Origins and History of Consciousness“ by Erich Neumann. Also meditation is great to move individuation forward.
its truly mind boggling to understand all this, and its a shame this stuff isnt mainstream knowledge. Though i do admit it can get u labeled and make you feel as an outsider as most of us arent aware, and might actively reject the discussion. Like the othet poster said, „scope creep“ - then again, i truly think immortality of experience is impossible. Matter will always re-transform into energy, and viceversa. This is what we essentially are. And the fear of death is why we are violent about it all.
Seriously though, if I was bin Salman for example I would make something like this a personal priority.
also man LOL .. i got it =D yeah it was too much. but it got to a few people. =]
made me smile. thank you!
However the “experiencer” as it arises in humans as the adjucant to consciousness isnt, and the problem is in the experiencer identifying itself with the past.
Immortality of experience is impossible, since by definition of the experiencer as memory, living forever requires an infinite amount of matter to preserve the memory (as the body grows older, it loses DNA structure, its cells decay in time, losing information at the molecular level. Keeping that process alive “forever” will need constant “regeneration” - and forever means infinite energy to do so, and we assume here that the universe has finite amount of matter and energy)
Immortality of the plemora also assumes a cyclical nature to the universe as it decays and rises again (big bang, big crunch, but in psychoanalysis the ouroborus is depicted in myth as simply a cyclical organism/structure which is developed into various mythologies and religions)
The larger “self” is infact immortal. Let that sink in.