Re:How do we tell truths that might hurt? (1975)
by ThrowawayR2 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:38PM
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Tenured professors, particularly of EWD's stature, get a lot of license to say what they want. I can certainly a few of my instructors who were rather colorful in a variety of ways.
Re:How do we tell truths that might hurt? (1975)
by brundolf on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:41PM
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I've no doubt they have license to do so without damaging their careers. That doesn't make it a good take.
Re:How do we tell truths that might hurt? (1975)
by _u9xp on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:50PM
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Because it makes you uncomfortable? Or because you have reason to believe otherwise?
Re:How do we tell truths that might hurt? (1975)
by brundolf on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:27PM
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Because any subjective assertion this narrow is going to be some amount of wrong.
Re:How do we tell truths that might hurt? (1975)
by dkarl on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:45PM
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Dijkstra was obsessed with mathematical correctness and certainly knew it was pointless to pursue in human language speaking about complex topics. He wanted people to pay attention, and they did. I think it's a testament to the effectiveness of his writing, and proof that it was not merely inflammatory, that people still read him and debate his ideas today, when his ideas have as little mainstream acceptance as they ever had.
Re:How do we tell truths that might hurt? (1975)
by IceCreamJonsey on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:30PM
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If you're used to exclusively programming with line numbers and you're a kid, sure, it might take a little bit of time and instruction to comprehend that line numbers aren't necessary. But from what he wrote it just sounds like this guy is whining about (when faced with students like this) having to actually do his job.
Re:How do we tell truths that might hurt? (1975)
by Jtsummers on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:43PM
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Fortran and BASIC at the time were, in many ways, the antithesis to his ideas of what a programming language should be.
They did not permit recursion (direct or indirect). Almost by design they encouraged spaghetti code (the thing Structured Programming was meant to work against). They encouraged (or required) global state. They discouraged modularity. They were effective languages (in the sense that people got stuff done in them), but they were poor languages when compared to the capabilities of their contemporaries.
Re:How do we tell truths that might hurt? (1975)
by GoblinSlayer on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:15PM
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I didn't have an impression that line numbers were important. Most of the time they did nothing and were unwieldy to maintain, they were more nuisance than anything else.
It's the kind of ranting you do with your colleagues in a pub after-hours, not something you publish in a professional context and frame as "unpleasant truths", as if they've been proven through scientific measurement.