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Re:Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attribut... by boomboomsubban on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @03:11AM (#24773985)
>If your work doesn't keep your mind busy, it finds a different outlet, that seems to be driven by some primal tribal instincts. Team up with the ones of your kind and go against the neighboring tribe.

You followed this statement with "call me paranoid, but we might see my tribe (presumably) fall out of dominance in our lifetime." The end of US hegemony is not some terrifying future, it's the US living like the rest of the world.

Re:Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attribut... by DoingIsLearning on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @03:30AM (#24774108)
> The end of US hegemony is not some terrifying future, it's the US living like the rest of the world

The issue most of the world (outside the US) worries about is not the end of their hegemony but the power vacuum that they leave behind.

Despite the near plutocratic state of the current US, they at least make an attempt at having core democratic values with checks and balances and a respect for rule of Law.

It is unclear if those who crave to take that soft-power away from the US will share the same ideals.

Re:Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attribut... by arethuza on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:09AM (#24775278)
A century ago people in the UK were probably arguing about the terrible impact of the End of Empire on civilisation.

Turns out that the world was rather better off without us trying to run a big chunk of it and we were better off as well.

The US will be fine and might even become a better place once they stop being the most powerful country.

Re:Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attribut... by boomboomsubban on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @08:51AM (#24775918)
>Despite the near plutocratic state of the current US, they at least make an attempt at having core democratic values with checks and balances and a respect for rule of Law.

Why the hell would the rest of the world care about these things that only matter inside the United States? The US has never made it their goal to spread these "core democratic values," has no real checks or balances internationally, and shows a complete disregard for international law.

Re:Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attribut... by 542354234235 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @11:21AM (#24777522)
Except for the half a century after WWII where the US shaped international law and democratic values, and heavily shaded modern international trade and its norms and values.
Re:Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attribut... by boomboomsubban on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @05:28PM (#24781829)
>shaped international law

Except they never consider themselves subject to that law, just use it to punish those they don't like.

> democratic values

When have they ever spread this? The amount of democratic governments we've overthrown vastly outnumbers the successful ones we've created. And that's ignoring things like Operation Gladio.

>heavily shaded modern international trade

Which has enriched them far more than anyone else.

Re:Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attribut... by hef19898 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @04:39AM (#24774477)
That and what impact a decline of democracy in would have on other western-style democracies would have.
Re:Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attribut... by boomboomsubban on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @08:55AM (#24775949)
Removing US regime change could very well bolster other "western-style democracies,"
Re:Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attribut... by hef19898 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @09:04AM (#24776024)
Right now I am more worried about the boost right-wing populists will get from a second Trump term. And the boost the Russians will get of it.
Re:Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attribut... by john_moscow on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @10:00PM (#24783995)
I'm a first generation immigrant who moved to North America because I didn't like living "like the rest of the world".

Mind you, most of the world lives in poverty fueled by endless tribal fights. Shia-vs-Sunni Muslims, Mexican drug cartels, endless tribal wars in Africa. Sponsored by the local "top ladder" successfully running the "divide and conquer" strategy. I don't see anything good in bringing that standard of living to the 1st World countries.

And, mind you, China is completely unaffected by the processes tearing the U.S. apart. They are more than ready to take the place, and also they don't give a slightest damn about human rights, freedom of association and many other Western virtues. Read about Uighur camps if you have any doubts. Be careful for what you wish for.

Re:Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attribut... by boomboomsubban on Thursday October 15, 2020 @02:51AM (#24785628)
Every example of the "divide and conquer" strategy you mention has the US at least assisting the "top ladder." Mexican drug cartels only exist because of America's "War on Drugs," and beyond that you run into people like Pablo Escobar deliberations propped up by the US to further their interests.

>And, mind you, China is completely unaffected by the processes tearing the U.S. apart

Isn't this the exact same " divide and conquer " strategy you just mentions? If we don't continue supporting our tribe, ignoring it's many faults, that other tribe will make things much worse.

Re:Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attribut... by john_moscow on Thursday October 15, 2020 @11:00AM (#24789289)
Europe has been living like this for centuries during Medieval times. Inquisition, witch hunts, heretic burning, wars, plague... African tribes have been at war with each other for as long as we know them. It's a human fallacy and not some evil plan hatched by U.S. billionaires.

Besides, the billionaires will be fine, it's the middle class that will find themselves living in ghettos.

Re:Propaganda, censorship, and surveillance are all attribut... by boomboomsubban on Thursday October 15, 2020 @04:12PM (#24793263)
>It's a human fallacy and not some evil plan hatched by U.S. billionaires

Right, US billionaires would never develop an evil plan like exploit violence to make money. Those actions are just African nature.

If China were to gain more power though, obviously they would steal the middle classes' wealth and force them into poverty.