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Re:San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S. by MAGZine on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:56AM (#24773222)
if you do the math, it's expensive to let a unit sit for more than a couple months as opposed to offering a discount on the rent. This assumes your tenant will turnover in a couple years time, mind you.

I did the math for SF and IIRC ~2mo was equal to a 15% discount. if it sits empty for longer than 2mo, you should have just given the 15% discount. if you let is sit for 2mo AND have to give a 15% discount, now you've really fucked your finances up.

Re:San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S. by cnst on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:27AM (#24773389)
You're ignoring the fact that SF has rent control; it resets only once a vacancy hits.

If market rate was 3k a few months back, but is only 2k now, if you take a 15-year view, it's still cheaper to let your rent-controlled unit sit unrented for 12mo than rent it at just 2k for 15 years provided the 3k/mo rates recover in two years.

Basically, that's one of the major reasons why rent-controlled units aren't going down in prices. Bundle in Prop 13, and you aren't even paying any real property taxes on those units to sting your finances.

Re:San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S. by MAGZine on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:51PM (#24778766)
No, I'm not forgetting that.

In my experience, most market rate units turn over every 2 or 3 years. 15 years in sf apartment leases are unusual except for people who cannot afford to move out.

If you assumption, as a landlord, is that the next person into your unit isn't moving for 15 years, then yes, the cost calculation moves. However, that calculation is very different from a 7 year calculation, which is very different from a 2 year calculation. So how much are you going to hedge against not losing money in the future, when you're losing concrete money right now?

Re:San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S. by cnst on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @11:48PM (#24784721)
> 15 years in sf apartment leases are unusual except for people who cannot afford to move out.

I'm a little confused here. If your rent is 1.2k for a 2bd in SF (because resident since 2000s), whereas market rate for a 2bd now is 3.9k in SF -- what is your determination -- is a person able or not able to move-out?

Why would anyone move out every 2 to 3 years if they're rent-controlled, and they'd have to pay significantly more for any new place?

Likewise, if you've been owning a property since the old times, and it's fully paid off, the property tax liability in Cali is tiny, and for older owners perhaps entirely a wash-off due to infamous Prop 13. Which is part of the reason that many owners don't even bother renting their properties.

Re:San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S. by asdff on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:34PM (#24778551)
I think properties are somehow valued based on the rent potential, so landlords are disincentivized to move base rent and would rather offer 1-2-3 months free and keep rent at standard rate.
Re:San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S. by MAGZine on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:48PM (#24778729)
you can easily take this into account too, and my calculation did. Assuming your tenant is staying for 2-3 years, you can really only afford to let it set empty for a few months. Your yearly rent increases are just a couple percent (tenths of pecents a month). Every month it sits empty is 8% of your yearly income for the unit.
Re:San Francisco Apartment Rents Crater Up to 31%, Most in U.S. by asdff on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @05:13PM (#24781681)
The yearly income isn't what's important to these landlords, it's the real estate value of the property. Loosing out on a full year or more of rental income is the cost of doing business if it keeps the underlying valued high and appreciating.