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Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by jackfoxy on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:40AM (#24773136)
A one party city in a one party state, endorsed by the local media establishment. You get what you vote for.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by tomerico on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:11AM (#24773305)
This is a really insightful point. I spent the last few weeks pondering on why California's governance is evolving into more ineptitude, slowness, and wastefulness, and whether there is something wrong with the democratic party values that make things worse in the long term.

The reality is probably closer to what you are claiming. And the lack of competition and accountability creates rot in the system.

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by Redoubts on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @08:48AM (#24775900)
idk, looking at local politics, there’s plenty of internecine fighting to keep things interesting for a while. But I do think America, from top to bottom and in its infinite wisdom, regularly designs governments to be in a constant state of deadlock. So you can “win” an election, but be blocked from doing anything of consequence. Either through minority powers to block and stymie efforts; or by making power hyperlocal so that any collective action problem is whiffed.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by jxramos on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:51AM (#24773525)
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by dpoochieni on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:18AM (#24773346)
I mean when the same family has had the Governor's office for 36 years out of the past 60 years, it begins to smell fishy or at least decaying.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by Paradigma11 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @08:32AM (#24775767)
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by sagarm on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:58AM (#24773238)
Local elections in SF are actually quite competitive, thanks to both jungle primaries and ranked choice voting.

Of course, if you e.g. are a single issue voter that cares only that women who has consensual sex not have the option to terminate unintended pregnancies you won't have a candidate to support in the general.

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by SllX on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:19AM (#24773350)
Competition between Democrats in the Generals each carrying water for the party does not make for competitive elections. Even the moderates in SF are to the left of the State and Country.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by GeneralMayhem on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:36AM (#24773440)
"Left of the country" doesn't mean uncompetitive. There's a incredibly vast amount of political real estate to the left of the American mainstream.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by SllX on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:26AM (#24773714)
Our elections are not competitive. If we were talking about two left parties competing in our “non-partisan” General elections, you would have a point, but it is Democrats top to bottom, who are only slightly distinguishable from each other in the context of San Francisco politics. In the context of California politics, they’re expected to all carry the same amount of fealty to the Unions, the State Party and its platform as any other California Democrat and in the context of Democrats nationwide, the San Francisco Democrats may as well be the bloody Borg.

The Mayoral special election between London Breed, Mark Leno and Jane Kim could be called “competitive”, but no matter who won (London won), the trajectory and policies of the City would have remained effectively the same with the only difference being who could advance their career that year.

Or to put it another way, it is a very competitive environment as long as you are a Democrat, but it is not an ideologically or politically competitive environment and the policies of the City government are stagnant (Fix homelessness! Save Muni! Stop car break-ins! Build more housing but only the right kind, maybe! etc.). This is unlikely to change under single party rule.

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by sagarm on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:53AM (#24773880)
There's significant daylight between the prog and moderate coalitions in SF -- at least if you care about anything on their platforms. Again, if your focus is policing people's sex lives and consensual relationships, it'll all look the same to you.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by SllX on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @10:14AM (#24776729)
Moderates and Progressives war over small differences because they are in competition with each other, even if the type of competition is in its nature internal to the power struggles within the Democratic Party. If you can’t distinguish yourself from the pack in some small ways, it’s going to be harder for you to win elections. Taking that back to the Special Mayoral election, London Breed managed to do just that, over Mark Leno and Jane Kim who had this kind of mutual endorsement deal going on exploiting the nature of the ranked choice voting.

But it is a power struggle internal to the Democratic Party. Sure you have different people with different ideas about where to go, what to do, but overall the trajectory is largely the same, and to be frank, it isn’t a direction I like. I still don’t know if I was naïve in hitching my wagon to the Democratic Party when I came of age, if I was never really in agreement with it, or of it just left me, and I’ve been trying to figure that out. What I do know is that there’s no place for me in it anymore, but whether I was naïve before, then and now, they’re still the only game in town and the combination of Ranked-Choice Voting and Open Primaries is further cementing them both here and in localities around here. I have my ballot in front of me, and for every race below President, it is virtually indistinguishable from a Democratic primary ballot because that is in effect what our General elections around here have become, a question of whose career do you want to advance or maintain under the auspices of this particular party banner?

> Again, if your focus is policing people's sex lives and consensual relationships, it'll all look the same to you.

Since nobody has mentioned anything of the like in this comment chain, I’m forced to conclude you’re making certain assumptions about me and insinuating something unsavory there. Maybe my conclusion is wrong, you tell me. Unfortunately for you, that’s never been something I gave a crap about. I’m not some bloody transplant weirded out by the Castro, I grew up in the Castro, and for the moment it is still my home.

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by conception on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:26AM (#24773388)
Moderate politicians of the world are to the left of the state and country.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by apexalpha on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @10:10AM (#24776703)
For your reference: a news article about the new campaign of GreenLeft party:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=nl&tl=en&u=htt...

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by osobear on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:04AM (#24773603)
Depends on issue but usually no. Bernie Sanders would not be moderate in Europe, and mainstream Democrats (increasingly) would not be either.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by TMWNN on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:53AM (#24773871)
I wish more people would understand this. Those (both American leftists, and Europeans who listen to them) who say that "Democrats in the US would be right wing in Europe/Canada" have to (for example) then agree that all major political parties in Canada and every European country outside the UK and Ireland are right of US Democrats, because there is no significant opposition to voter ID laws anywhere. Macron's Les Republicains got elected because voters liked his vow to get tough on unions and union pensions, and privatize more infrastructure, neither of which appears in Biden's campaign platform.

Speaking of which, several European countries have privatized post offices; not just telecom companies that were parts of PTTs, but entire postal services. It is the rare European country that hasn't sold off at least part of their postal services. The EU explicitly requires postal monopolies to end in member states; whether government-owned or not, EU postal services do not have the USPS's monopoly on first-class mail. Yet no major party in the US seriously talks about privatizing the USPS.[1] Does this mean that American politics is "far to the left" of that of Germany and the UK, both of which have completely sold off their postal services to private investors?

[1] 1 And no, it's not because of the Constitution. Article I Section 8 only gives Congress the authority "To establish Post Offices", as opposed to requiring a government-run one. Certainly nothing in the Constitution mandates the USPS's first-class mail monopoly.

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by pas on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @04:35AM (#24774458)
EU market liberalization makes sense because there are already at least 20+ would be competitors for almost everything.

I have no idea how well this turned out in practice, especially considering that market harmonization/standardization is a basically a must have to have efficiency at scale.

The big difference seems to be healthcare and education. Where there's a primary state funded/owned/operated/mandated provider/option. Which sort of helps with keeping a ceiling on prices.

But at the same time youth unemployment was (and probably still is) very high, despite easy access to higher education. US unemployment rates reached its low point before covid19 probably because so much is tied to employment and there are so few restrictions on hiring and firing folks compared to some "average/median" EU jurisdiction.

Then of course there are very real far right parties with power too, so yeah, it's a lot less true that US Dems are so right of Europe politics. While at the same time a very authoritarian group runs the current US federal show, with a very real chance of that continuing, which unfortunately doesn't help with the polarization of politics.

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by pas on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @04:16AM (#24774354)
Free higher ed and healthcare? That's pretty bog standard centrist/moderate these days in Europe.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by SllX on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:30AM (#24773405)
Unfortunately for the world.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by rexarex on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:13AM (#24773316)
Most City supervisors run unopposed due to the high cost to get on the ballot...
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by GeneralMayhem on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:23AM (#24773377)
Well, that's just not remotely true. There are six supervisor seats up for election this year, as there are every even year. Ronen is running unopposed, which is a bit odd. The other five seats have at least 3 candidates each. I don't pay too much attention to Supervisor elections outside my district (which isn't up this cycle), but from glancing at websites and endorsements it looks like there's at least a few non-delusional competitors. And I recall D6 in particular was extremely competitive last time around, since it was a vacant seat after Jane Kim got term-limited out.

https://sfelections.sfgov.org/candidates

EDIT: The Board of Supervisors also has a two-term limit, so even if you think incumbents are automatic winners (which they usually are - not usually unopposed, but, like most incumbents, I don't think they usually have to sweat it too much), there's going to be a competitive open-seat race at least once a decade.

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by sagarm on Thursday October 15, 2020 @03:47AM (#24785958)
In the special election for D5, Preston won by like ~100 votes.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by tathougies on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:18AM (#24773344)
Honestly this attitude is exactly why sf is a dump. It's not about abortion. The chance of getting a conservative leader is impossible in sf. Luckily california may turn red this year due to the hispanic vote
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by GoOnThenDoTell on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:40AM (#24773468)
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by tathougies on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @11:26AM (#24777601)
Have lots of hispanic family in rural california... I grew up in conservative california and when I visited this year... It's like I've never seen it. I don't believe the polls. Californians should actually go out and talk with the people who live in their state
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by TMWNN on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:56AM (#24773892)
California is not likely to vote for Trump, but he's going to do much better than the 31.6% he won in 2016. Nationally, he's going to do much better than the 28% of Hispanics he won in 2016.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by tathougies on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:18AM (#24773345)
Honestly this attitude is exactly why sf is a dump. It's not about abortion. The chance of getting a conservative leader is impossible in sf. Luckily california may turn red this year due to the hispanic vote.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by gorgoiler on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:48AM (#24773512)
And at best it will only be a two party system.

Democracy needs more than two parties to thrive. That will never happen when every battle devolves into entrenched red vs blue attrition.

The protestors chant they will not divide us! as if that’s a positive message. A little bit naive if you ask me.

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by GeneralMayhem on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:26AM (#24773387)
San Francisco is not meaningfully a one-party city. There are sub-party factions (the "progressives" and "moderates") who vote as blocs on the most significant issues and tend to get similar groups of endorsements. The Republicans have been run out of town (for good reason), so now the Democrats, which are a big-tent party, can - and do - safely fight amongst themselves. And it's not just primaries, either; ranked-choice voting means that general elections for city positions are usually contested between two (or more) Democrats even in November.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by bassman9000 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:57PM (#24778841)
San Francisco is not meaningfully a one-party city

Republicans have been run out of town (for good reason)

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by deepakhj on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:49AM (#24773520)
Democrats != one unified party. Republicans are a minority united under the same terrible platform. Democrats are everyone else. From progressive to centrist or even right wing (what would conservative in other countries).

You also have "democrats" that act with conservative values that are vocal and prevent any changes. Check Nextdoor if you want to get a wiff of how crazy people are here.

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by CamperBob2 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:50AM (#24773180)
When the Republicans insist on nominating unelectable kooks, a one-party state is indeed what you end up with.

That's what we see happening here in Washington, in any case. There's no one I can vote for who isn't a Democrat, so I guess I'm a Democrat by default, whether I wanted to be one or not. Super frustrating.

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by youareostriches on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:51AM (#24773195)
Did you read the article? It laments a lack of investment in:

* Affordable housing

* Public transit

* Green energy

Can you show me any of these items in the current Republican party platform, or even point to any local Republican-run government which has invested significantly in any of these?

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by anm89 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:01AM (#24773260)
And apparently the left is approximately the same because they totally dominate there and yet none of this is fixed.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by Rebelgecko on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:48AM (#24773832)
Affordable housing is an easy one-- look at a map of US housing costs, and make a decision about which areas are affordable [1]. Then look at a map of political party distribution. There is a strong correlation between affordable communities and Republican ones

It's also trivial to find examples of republican led cities/counties investing in public transit and green energy. Here's a twofer [2]

[1]: here's a map that takes COL into account although it's California only https://edsource.org/2019/interactive-map-where-teachers-fin... Here's a national map that compares the minimum hourly wage to rent a 2 bedroom house, it also let's you zoom in on a region- https://reports.nlihc.org/oor

[2]: https://www.masstransitmag.com/rail/vehicles/article/2111467...

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by whatanattitude on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:58AM (#24773244)
Why haven’t the Democrats who have ran this city done any of that is the point of the article. Your looking to republicans. It’s a liberal run city.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by Redoubts on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @08:52AM (#24775929)
Because local politics are weird, and half the Democrats would want to build a wall around SF and make Midwestern transplants pay for it...
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by deepakhj on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:47AM (#24773502)
On housing - Nimbys.. folks that fight change.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by ashtonkem on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @10:34AM (#24776963)
Often while making arguments about how increased housing would hurt poor people, hilariously enough.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by the_only_law on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @10:40AM (#24777019)
A tad related: This was in the LA area, but there was a video I saw a while back where a guy had crowdfunded a project to build shelters for homless people that were basically tiny houses with locks, a solar power providing a small amount of power, etc. and the city went ballistic about it. Admittedly there were some genuine problems with how it was executed, i.e. blocking sidewalks and they even offered to move them but were rejected. There was a clip of some city official claiming that this man building shelters for homeless people did nothing to help them, yet his own plan to "end homelessness" somehow would. This video was rather old, probably early 2010s. I wonder how that politicians plan to end homelessness is doing.
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by ashtonkem on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:33PM (#24779944)
Since I live in LA I can answer your last question: whatever the plan was it is not working. The homelessness situation here is continuing to accelerate out of control.

This dovetails nicely with the “tiny home” movement. Regardless of how you feel about affluent people taking up tiny homes, there is something deeply off putting about municipalities in the midst of a housing crisis putting up minimum housing size laws that require tiny homes to be built via loophole on top of a trailer.

Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by axaxs on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:11AM (#24773303)
So you only care about what a website says, and not the living proof that your current leadership has not only -not- done those things, but apparently lied about its intentions?
Re:San Francisco’s political leadership has squandered a for... by garmaine on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @12:55AM (#24773214)
I think you are misinterpreting the post you are replying to. Any single-party system devolves into graft and cronyism as the politicians aren't held accountable for their actions. After all, what are you going to do, waste your vote on the other side?