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Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by tehjoker on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:18PM (#24769162)
I like proposition A, but proposition B is not good. Real names policies mean people who are at risk of violence or job loss (e.g. domestic abuse, transgender, religious and ethnic minorities, poor people) must either conform or risk themselves for having a political voice. Given official news and political parties lie constantly about state affairs, real names don't even help with trustworthiness! Look at the President.

Instead, I would advocate that you should read everything critically and that any news you accept must meet some evidence threshold and logically make sense in a coherent narrative. Learning real history helps.

I strongly suspect that we were lied to about the rationale for real names policies on Google, FB, etc. They wanted data for their advertising business and to help enforce political conformity (their businesses benefit from a politically stable base of operations). It clearly didn't help suppress hate speech or insane conspiracy theories.

Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by anigbrowl on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @04:45PM (#24770117)
Instead, I would advocate that you should read everything critically and that any news you accept must meet some evidence threshold and logically make sense in a coherent narrative. Learning real history helps.

I don't have a real problem distinguishing real from fake news, research and verification come naturally to me. But although I hear this recommendation frequently, it offers nothing to help with the tidal wave of gullible/dishonest people who spread false information. I would like to ignore them, but a) that requires additional effort, much like filtering spam and b) ignoring them is unwise to some degree, as such people can have a significant impact in the real world by spreading misinformation.

When I first expressed worries about the 'qanon' thing several years ago, friends and family asked me why I wasted time studying such nonsense. Now it's an international phenomenon with electoral leverage; and it's still hard to get people to give their time to study and understand it as a strategic problem rather than simply mocking or belittling the adherents. It's a bit like trying to explain to a clever developer that a brilliant architectural design can be compromised by idiots and that the user interface requires artificial friction or safety rails.

It's not that your preference for an educated polity full of critical thinkers is wrong, it would be delightful. The problem is that stupid and mean people are indifferent or outright hostile to such a long-term goal and are perfectly willing and capable of wrecking things in the short term for their own selfish ends.

Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by tehjoker on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:44PM (#24779372)
It's not that I think critical thinking is an insanely effective approach, I just don't think there are non-political solutions (i.e. requiring organizing people for a more hopeful future). Getting people to join political groups and getting them to feel less alone on a non-conspiracy basis would do wonders. I just don't think technocratic solutions will work because either they restrict political speech, abuse people into staying politically conformist when that is clearly failing, or are ineffective and harm people.

For example, you might demand FB and Youtube stop using their divisive engagement strategies, but that would violate their profit motive so they won't. The only solutions are political organizing.

Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by cam_l on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @11:28PM (#24772831)
>The problem is that stupid and mean people are indifferent or outright hostile to such a long-term goal and are perfectly willing and capable of wrecking things in the short term for their own selfish ends.

Watching Attenborough's new netflix film [0] last night, I think I said [1] almost exactly the same thing.

[0] https://www.netflix.com/title/80216393

[1] OK, yelled at the tv in a blind rage.

Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by jay_kyburz on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:31PM (#24769313)
>Given official news and political parties lie constantly about state affairs....

This would stop. This is what we want to stop.

I don't think "real name" policies are enough. FB, Google, and Twitter need to collect credit cards and take deposits that are lost when you use your account to spread lies and hate.

Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by bluGill on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:46PM (#24769507)
Who defines lies and hate. Hint: is the the republicans and democrats who lie and spread hate the most. While the lies and hate are somewhat different neither side is willing to give up anything.

Also you will run into first amendment issues.

Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by jay_kyburz on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:56PM (#24769630)
Yeah, I'm arguing for monumental shift in our entire society. Some things will have to change.

>Who defines lies and hate.

I would argue we need a much cheaper, more efficient court system, where a group of peers is gathered to examine evidence. In other words "society" does. They can also consider if the lie was deliberate or a mistake, leading to harsher penalties.

Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by bdamm on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @04:09PM (#24769762)
This sounds like a recipe for exacerbating climate change denialism. Let the truth be defined by your peers? I don't think so.
Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by jay_kyburz on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @04:32PM (#24769988)
My understanding is that, that's how most science works. Experts come to a consensus.
Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by bdamm on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @11:20AM (#24777514)
Except that who did the analysis is part of the analysis, which allows you to select and trace based on qualifications that you think are important. This above proposal sounds like a bunch of random people off the street, which is not at all going to result in the same quality of analysis. If the proposal is to create a board of qualified information judges and a process for selecting those judges, I could get behind that.
Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by tehjoker on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:42PM (#24769464)
You know their names right now. They are displayed in a banner on the TV.
Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by shuntress on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:46PM (#24769509)
The hate speech and insane theories from anonymous/unaccountable profiles underpin and bolster what you see on TV.
Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by raxxorrax on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @03:09AM (#24773970)
I rather enjoy seeing people furious that they cannot hold people accountable for some perceived sleights. Makes me happy, especially in these times, we should never give that up again. I don't see this as a problem, I see it as a feature.

There are cases where it can be bad, but I would have problems giving any examples. Wouldn't change the point anyway.

Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by tehjoker on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @04:07PM (#24769750)
Many of those people post under their real name.
Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by shuntress on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:44PM (#24769480)
Like a security deposit. You could get it back a year later with a slight increase that doubles as a payment for the data they've harvested.
Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by bluGill on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:43PM (#24769473)
If you make public comments often real names don't really matter. My coworkers know who I am here even though I've never told them - it isn't hard to sort out what I say here and conversations in the office.

In short, if you really are in a at risk group you need to stay off the internet, everything you do adds to your risk that you are tracked. It doesn't matter much effort you take to hide your tracks (which everyone should take anyway...), if you have a reason to worry you need to get off the internet.

Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by bdamm on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @04:07PM (#24769747)
This is wrong thinking. Nobody can really control when someone takes a nefarious interest in them. Public identity is only fine if there's nobody out there who wants to harm you. But since you can't control who wants to harm you, you can't really decide in advance if having a public identity is OK or not. The answer isn't "stay off the Internet" which is tantamount to "don't leave your house." This is why Facebook tries to put controls in the hands of the tagged; they only did that after a string of teenage suicides related to cyber bullying. Surely these kids thought they had no reason to be so concerned. But it turned out they did, they couldn't control the damage done to their reputation, and killed themselves.
Re:Norway officially accuses Russia for cyberattacks on parl... by tehjoker on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @07:02PM (#24771304)
Your coworkers aren't the only people in the world who might have interest in what you have to say.