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Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by aviraldg on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @01:40PM (#24767834)
There are two reasons I haven't switched over from Android. I wish Apple would try and fix them:

* The lack of a way to move Whatsapp messages between platforms. (They'd just need to allow Whatsapp to use Google Drive for backup on iOS)

* The lack of (physical) dual-SIM.

Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by DangerousPie on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:09PM (#24768110)
The first one sounds more like a WhatsApp issue than an Apple issue, doesn't it?
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by kevincox on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:48PM (#24779404)
Where you place the blame has little effect on how easy it is to move.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by lotsofpulp on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @01:47PM (#24767901)
I don’t see them investing in physical dual sim when the future is e-SIM.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by Nextgrid on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:56PM (#24768883)
eSIM gives way more control to the carriers which is not a good thing. I can take out a physical SIM, move it to a different phone, bring it abroad, lend it to someone, etc and the carrier has no say in that.

With an eSIM, once it's provisioned onto a phone it can't be "extracted" and getting a new one involves the carrier, which can say no or make the process difficult/annoying, even if unintentionally.

Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by jdofaz on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @04:52PM (#24770166)
I remember $10 ESN change fees, I too do not welcome eSIMs
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by jammmety on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:33PM (#24768538)
Can't vouch for it, but there is software available that helps with your first issue: https://mobiletrans.wondershare.com/whatsapp/transfer-whatsa...
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by ValentineC on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:50PM (#24768785)
This only works to convert WhatsApp data from iPhone to Android, but not the other way around.

I don't understand why WhatsApp won't let their iOS version access a chat backup from Google Drive.

Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by dreamer7 on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @01:57PM (#24767984)
They do have physical dual SIM for certain markets. Ex: China
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by juusto on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:04PM (#24768056)
Problem solved: moved to china (I jest)
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by ValentineC on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:52PM (#24768813)
I'm in Singapore. Some mobile phone stores here bring in the Hong Kong versions of the iPhones, which have physical dual SIM too.

I specifically searched for and bought the physical dual SIM version of the iPhone 11 Pro, because most of the MVNOs here still don't support eSIM.

Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by Nextgrid on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:57PM (#24768899)
Does the Chinese dual-sim iPhone have any restrictions or downsides compared to a US or EU model? I might consider it as my next step if I can let go of the iPhone 8 and its fingerprint sensor.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by ValentineC on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:09PM (#24769044)
I just looked through my iPhone's emoji keyboard and it doesn't have the Taiwan flag: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-08/apple-pul...

If I used it with any regularity, I could probably work around it with a keyboard shortcut.

Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by Nextgrid on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:11PM (#24769066)
Which region are you in and which region is your system set to? I always thought things like this were determined by which region you select when you set up the phone (or something similar like detected via GPS/network instead of being bound to the hardware itself).
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by ValentineC on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:20PM (#24769179)
Singapore, with Singapore SIM cards.

I have nothing that links to Hong Kong or China, so it's probably implemented by identifying the different phone model number of the dual SIM iPhone.

Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by graeme on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:22PM (#24768373)
I switched from android whatsapp to ios years ago and still have all the messages. I don’t recall how I did it, but it is definitely possible unless whatsapp locked things down.
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by podviaznikov on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:05PM (#24768066)
I think they have iCloud backup for whatsapp
Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by ActorNightly on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:11PM (#24768142)
For me its

* all phones go obsolete in about 2 years and there is no reason paying $1000 for one when I can buy one 80% as good for half the price.

Re:iPhone 12 and iPhone 12 Pro by yepthatsreality on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @05:22PM (#24770466)
You’ll never get Apple fans to understand that. They will happily toss a $1000 Apple’s way yearly for a new unrepairable device to be created with rare earth metals in China, shipped across the ocean on a freighter and then turn around and tell you that paying more for a charging cable is helping save the environment. Diehards do not care about the cost, they are already paying.