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Re:Characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 by roenxi on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @08:31AM (#24764959)
One of my favourite posts on HN was some gentleman telling me that masks didn't help against COVID, that the science was in, and that I was endangering lives by even suggesting something so stupid when either the WHO or CDC or Fauci had debunked the idea. I think that was back around April.

My current policy is to wait until the evidence is older than a week. That is one open label study on patients that were already in hospital - strong evidence, but not a final word. Maybe they missed something, maybe they made a mistake. Science is hard.

Re:Characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 by hn_throwaway_99 on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @09:33AM (#24765394)
I think you're making false equivalences.

To be clear, there has never been good scientific evidence that masks are ineffective against respiratory viruses. I think WHO, CDC and Fauci made grave errors at the time by making the argument that mask-wearing by the general public "doesn't work". The clear (and quite understandable) fear was that there would be a run on masks by the general public, so instead of telling the truth ("we need the masks for healthcare workers") they made broader and confusing statements about the effectiveness of masks that were not supported by the underlying science. This had the terrible effect, as your post shows, of making people even more wary of scientific pronouncements. Mine is not an isolated viewpoint. There was a good opinion article in the Washington Post at the time by an influential researcher where she argued the same thing.

Contrarily, the good studies that have come out about HCQ have nearly uniformly shown their potential danger. There is simply no equivalence between the scientific data that HCQ is harmful and the data (that never existed mind you) that mask-wearing is ineffective.

Re:Characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 by hef19898 on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @10:24AM (#24765814)
Yeah, the mask thing was one gigantic communications failure. I#ll give them the benfit of doubt, so, and asume they really believed COVID-19 was mostly transmitted through surfaces and less through droplets. Which would make masks less effecitive. Regardless, it was a gamble, one that didn't pay off considering all the rediculous discussions about masks right now. But then I am almost sure we would have the same discussions about other things, or even masks, if communication had been done differently.
Re:Characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 by em500 on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @11:03AM (#24766234)
> My current policy is to wait until the evidence is older than a week. That is one open label study on patients that were already in hospital - strong evidence, but not a final word. Maybe they missed something, maybe they made a mistake. Science is hard.

Indeed: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S120197122...

I'd say it's not conclusively settled yet.

Re:Characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 and Covid-19 by jjeaff on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @01:52PM (#24767942)
The truth of the efficacy of hydroxy chloroquine to treat covid may not be settled.

But what is settled is that there is not enough conclusive evidence right now to use it as a treatment.

In medicine, when confronted with low degrees of certainty, the default is to -not- administer to treatment until proven otherwise.

As a side note, notice that it appears Trump did not receive HCQ as part of his treatment regiment.