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Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Monday October 12, 2020 @11:09AM (#24755151)
I draw the line at hate. If one side wants to destroy me do I have to listen to their arguments?
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by matheusmoreira on Monday October 12, 2020 @11:48AM (#24755656)
Why would you draw that line? Hate is an emotion every human feels. Are we not supposed to hate now?

How do you know if the hate is justified? Plenty of hate is fueled by religion and the many atrocities committed in its name by all involved. Hate has been caused by historical events and wars. Even disrespect towards others is cause for hate.

It's okay to hate. People should be able to think and feel whatever they want. What's wrong is acting out violently in response to that hate.

Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by HashingtheCode on Monday October 12, 2020 @11:14AM (#24755214)
No you don't have to listen, you can walk away.
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by tpush on Monday October 12, 2020 @12:05PM (#24755857)
Being driven away is exactly why rules and legislations like these exist, so that no one has to "walk away" because of hateful people spattering their bullshit.
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by hef19898 on Monday October 12, 2020 @11:40AM (#24755560)
Not always. As soon as hate becomes widespread enough walking away besomes impossible. That's why things like Holocaust denial are so dangerous is being left unchecked.
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by anigbrowl on Monday October 12, 2020 @01:08PM (#24756648)
The first time I ever encountered a neo-nazi, I was walking along minding my business during my lunch hour and a complete stranger walked up and punched me in the face.

There's an analogy between real and virtual spaces that often seems to be overlooked. If someone is holding a sign on a street corner saying 'the holocaust didn't happen' then I may find that quite objectionable but I can choose to go and remonstrate with the person or conserve my psychic energy and ignore them. On the other hand, if I'm having a discussion about history and a person comes up tries to force their way into the conversation, my walking away is ceding them the space that I formerly occupied.

In the physical world there's a cost to moving around and and physical constraints on people, so if I hear someone on the other side of town is holding an objectionable sign I have to decide whether I care enough to physically go there. that calculus might change if the objectionable message were on a billboard or an objectionable speaker were holding a rally with amplified sound, in which case I might consider it more worth my while to refute their prominent or loudly-staged opinion.

In the virtual world distance isn't a practical factor so it becomes trivially easy for people in different communities to raid each other and engage in semantic provocations, often with few consequences. Interestingly, there is some evidence that responding to provocation with aggression is more effective in deterring raiding behavior than politely ignoring it: https://snap.stanford.edu/conflict/

It should be borne in mind that the object of raiding (whether for sport as in MMORPGs or for deadly serious reasons as in military conflicts) is to drive people out of territory that they occupy. Getting them to walk away by being sufficiently obnoxious is not directly violent, but is often predicated on an implicit threat of violence.

Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by globular-toast on Monday October 12, 2020 @11:17AM (#24755253)
I think it would be wise to learn why somebody hates you, yes. There might be a very good reason for it.
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by anigbrowl on Monday October 12, 2020 @01:10PM (#24756679)
Strategically it's certainly important to know who your antagonists are and what motivates them. But in the situation where you already know that, there's no need to entertain their antagonism.
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by Dobbs on Monday October 12, 2020 @11:22AM (#24755319)
I've heard the same arguments from hundreds of people. The same misquoted, manipulated statistics, the same concern trolling, the same dog whistles. There isn't any point in listening. Some people hate me for what I am. They want to take my rights away from me, they want to restrict my ability to access medicine, they want to stop me from being in the military (not that I wish to join). Why should I listen to one more person lie and spread hate?
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by globular-toast on Monday October 12, 2020 @01:24PM (#24756853)
Then you have the choice to ignore them. Why do you think you have a right to stop others hearing the same arguments?
Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by globular-toast on Monday October 12, 2020 @05:08PM (#24759463)
Predictably downvoted instead of answering the simple question.

Fine, I'll tell you why you think you have the right: you think that you're more intelligent than most people and while you can see that the arguments are bogus, others are too feeble and might be more easily persuaded. So you think it's best for them (and you) that they don't see it.

Re:Removing Holocaust Denial Content by Dobbs on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @09:19AM (#24765279)
Or I'm part of the group that all the hate is being spread about.

I didn't down vote you. You are getting downvoted because you are being condescending.

You can't just ignore the hatred being spewed at you. It infects how you interact with the world. You start having panic attacks going into the toilet, because maybe you will be harassed today when you want to pee. The people who hate you latch onto the twisted news stories. They use it to deny progress, or to push through restrictions. Like the US politicians quoting JK Rowling for why we should restrict trans rights. The bullshit spreads. It doesn't matter that JK Rowling almost never quotes any sources, and the one she does has been well disproven and largely retracted. People still read what she says, ignore the corrections and continue to spread the hate.

The number of times I've heard someone going on about how we are giving children surgery. It is ridiculous how ill-informed yet completely certain in their opinion people can be about trans healthcare. I'm not more intelligent than anyone else, I just have an invested reason (my very life) to be well informed on the topic.