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Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by mumblemumble on Monday October 12, 2020 @09:47AM (#24754289)
Windows has always been two creatures that behave in very different ways. The server line is where you see stability and compatibility reign supreme.

On the desktop/workstation line though, let's take a trip down memory lane and remember all these upgrades together: Windows 3.11 -> 95 -> 98 -> Me -> XP -> Vista -> 7 -> 8 -> 10.

I am having a really hard time seeing how one can infer from that timeline that Microsoft's desktop OS line follows a philosophy of "catering to the user, keeping things consistent, and being backwards compatible." Windows 98 didn't cause much hassle, but, at least from my experience, that was really it. Windows 7 had its share of hassles, too. Particularly, as I recall, in the backwards compatibility department. We just remember it fondly because it was sandwiched in between Windows Vista and Windows 8.

Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Monday October 12, 2020 @09:58AM (#24754379)
3.11 to 95 was a big shift in terms of how the interface worked, but after that it was pretty damned consistent until 8 tried to turn everything into a tablet.

The introduction of WDDM along with the new sound and networking driver architectures caused some headache in Vista, but were ultimately significant improvements over the way things had been.

10, on the other hand, made automatic updates mandatory, and pushed itself on everybody through dark patterns. It puts ads in the start menu and on the lock screen. It started, but didn't finish, implementing new interfaces nobody asked for while deprecating the old ones they still hand't entirely replicated. Today, they're doing their damnedest to hide the fact that you don't need a Microsoft account to set up your computer.

Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by ROARosen on Monday October 12, 2020 @11:57AM (#24755763)
We should - though - definitely appreciate the fact that they still "let" you setup a workstation without signing in to a Microsoft account (unlike iOS, the new Oculus device etc.)
Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by xodice on Monday October 12, 2020 @04:57PM (#24759363)
You can most definitely setup an iOS device without signing into iCloud, same as you don't need to use a Google account for an Android device.

macOS is also quite a capable workstation OS that needs no account other than a local account.

Windows 10 Home you cannot even create a local account without having the Internet disconnected.

Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by djxfade on Monday October 12, 2020 @12:35PM (#24756233)
You can setup iOS devices without an Apple ID if that is what you are trying to imply.
Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by danhor on Monday October 12, 2020 @04:11PM (#24758909)
You can, but apart from calling & web browsing, it's not that useful, in contrast to a windows machine (i guess you probably can't use the windows store)
Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by xodice on Monday October 12, 2020 @05:00PM (#24759402)
iOS is still useful without an iCloud account. Everything still works. Calendar, Calculator, Contacts, Safari, Music, etc, on and on all work just fine. You can add any number of third party services with the email app. All you loose not logging into iCloud is sync'ing of said data to other devices. It's a local only device at that point.

Pretty sure the same stands for Android.

Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by brnt on Monday October 12, 2020 @06:00PM (#24759937)
What do you mean with third party services? Apps? You can download (free) apps w/o an Apple ID?
Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by xodice on Monday October 12, 2020 @06:09PM (#24760015)
No. I mean you can use the included PIM/multimedia apps with any current service you use without using any Apple account. Just goto accounts and passwords under settings and add your preferred service to integrate with notes/email/contacts/etc.

Sure I would say this would make it more of a feature phone but the device itself is quite usable without an iCloud account.

Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by jsmith45 on Monday October 12, 2020 @05:55PM (#24759893)
The Windows Store (now called the Microsoft Store, apparently to match the name o their physical stores), does allow one yo download free programs without using a Microsoft Account. I'm guessing you might need one for paid programs, but I've literally never tried, since this is a PC, not a phone/tablet.
Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by Njikl on Monday October 12, 2020 @10:46AM (#24754835)
I'm not sure how you're having a hard time. Yes, Microsoft releases new OS versions. I'm not sure what you think that has to do with backwards compatibility. Have you not heard any of the stories about all the hacks Microsoft has had to implement over the past decades to ensure that third-party applications function correctly? A program made for Win95 will generally work seamlessly on W10. Worst-case scenario, you'll need to change compatibility settings or configure exceptions in things like exploit protection. The same can't be said for Linux, where the only thing you can count on is the kernel's ABI.
Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by thomasz on Monday October 12, 2020 @10:05AM (#24754425)
Windows is light years ahead in this department compared to any alternative. It's a hard problem.
Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by dublin on Monday October 12, 2020 @04:51PM (#24759309)
Your chain breaks between Me and XP, because you omitted Win2K. And that's a huge change - It was the point at which they switched to the NT kernel from the previous DOS-based ones. While MS hasn't always done a great job on all of the OS functionality surrounding the kernel (though it's quite good now), the internals of the NT kernel are and always have always been excellent, and IMO, are considerably superior to Linux' kernel internals.

One reason for this, interestingly, is that NT had less of a past to deal with - it was a clean-sheet design by one of the most experienced OS kernel designers on the planet (David Cutler, from DEC) - Linux was still trying to be "Unix-like" and maintain (more or less) POSIX compatibility (though to be fair, POSIX didn't show up until about the time Linux grew out of its hobbyist toy phase...)

Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by coldtea on Monday October 12, 2020 @10:15AM (#24754526)
>I am having a really hard time seeing how one can infer from that timeline that Microsoft's desktop OS line follows a philosophy of "catering to the user, keeping things consistent, and being backwards compatible."

In the simple sense that you can run ancient Win 95 applications in any of these later versions (if not 3.11 and DOS too).

Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by sandworm101 on Monday October 12, 2020 @10:35AM (#24754725)
>> you can run ancient Win 95 applications in any of these later versions

In theory, according to MS. In reality we all have seen old applications die when windows updates. Security-related applications are notorious for this. What once worked perfectly well with Win8 now goes into total panic mode when it sees Win10 doing its thing in unexpected ways.

Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by coldtea on Monday October 12, 2020 @11:17AM (#24755249)
>In reality we all have seen old applications die when windows updates. Security-related applications are notorious for this.

I wouldn't expect "security related" applications to work (e.g. some antivirus), as they use bizarro / too low level APIs.

But you can still run 15+ year old games, office apps, and whatever...

Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by ezconnect on Monday October 12, 2020 @09:53AM (#24754345)
Hardware support was always an issue on every version of windows but on the software side the only time I had software compatibility issue was whenI moved to Windows 2000. Windows vista for me was just a bad PR management by Microsoft.
Re:Microsoft is not rebasing Windows to Linux by vezycash on Monday October 12, 2020 @10:13AM (#24754506)
I place the blame mainly on penny pinching OEMs who sold windows XP hardware and slapped vista capable logo on it.