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Re:Abolish the Cash Bail System by jokethrowaway on Monday October 12, 2020 @06:59AM (#24753190)
Western Europe barely works.

Bringing one data point: my ex landlord wasn't really the owner of the house and was scamming rich landlords who had too many properties to control them properly. He also scammed tenants (eg. Not returning deposits).

The London metropolitan police jailed him, plenty of evidence and testimonies. He was released nonetheless, he escaped to Dubai (where he has family), he came back to the UK and opened another real estate company doing the same scam under another name. I fished him using LinkedIn and checking his old LinkedIn contacts.

Metropolitan police was aware of everything as I was in touch with a detective. He had the entire story, the new office location of the scammer, the website and photos showing the entire scam repeating itself and dropped the case.

The police has zero incentive to do anything about criminals, they just get more funding the worse criminality gets. A bail system is not perfect, but prevents people escaping, or at least collect some money from people who want to escape law.

This could be used to compensate victims, but I don't have high hopes for the government ever doing that.

If we want to prevent innocents ending up in jail we could just make victimless crimes legal. Weirdly enough, nobody seems to get behind that.

Re:Abolish the Cash Bail System by jopsen on Monday October 12, 2020 @07:30AM (#24753348)
The lack of prosecution has more to do with priority than lack of bail.

Scams can be hard to prosecute, and the harm inflicted on victims is mostly financial. Personally, I would love to see more internet scammers (spammers in particular) prosecuted, but if I think hard about I can recognize that there might be crimes it more important to investigate.

Re:Abolish the Cash Bail System by gowld on Monday October 12, 2020 @08:31AM (#24753728)
Money is how people buy food. You need a super strong social safety net to say people don't deserve to buy their own food.
Re:Abolish the Cash Bail System by jopsen on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @03:36AM (#24763190)
Didn't say it shouldn't be prosecuted.

Just that I understand that violent crime often takes priority.

Re:Abolish the Cash Bail System by rusticpenn on Monday October 12, 2020 @07:27AM (#24753329)
The goal is to let some guilty walk free so that innocent are not troubled. There are people who know the weak points of the system, sometimes they will escape, but its worse to have someone innocent of a crime in prison.
Re:Abolish the Cash Bail System by marcus_holmes on Monday October 12, 2020 @08:12AM (#24753592)
> but prevents people escaping

prevents poor people escaping.

FTFY. So it's not going to solve this problem - your guy would just pay his bail and be gone.

Re:Abolish the Cash Bail System by kstenerud on Monday October 12, 2020 @08:25AM (#24753691)
So because the London police aren't willing to invest time and effort into a crime that you feel strongly about, Western Europe barely works?
Re:Abolish the Cash Bail System by Broken_Hippo on Monday October 12, 2020 @09:07AM (#24753981)
You provided one example. I'm going to guess this person could have just posted bail and ran regardless. Bail isn't foolproof, and if you have enough money, you can get out of it. Heck, simply having money makes your odds of getting found 'not guilty' much greater in the US.

The problem is that bail really doesn't work better than a lot of other sorts of interventions. Know what has a good track record? Letting folks go and having them check in regularly. Calling them to remind them of appointments and court dates. And this has the added benefit of not ruining innocent people's lives and it is a better use of taxpayer money.

Not forcing ruin on folks really does help society at large.

Making victimless crimes legal wouldn't help with keeping innocent folks out of jail. Everyone in jail before trial is innocent. It doesn't matter what they are charged with - before trial, they are innocent. Even if the crime committed had a victim.