Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by kalleboo on Sunday October 11, 2020 @10:05AM
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Even the freaking Gmail app for iOS has a convenient "bug" where it keeps forgetting your browser selection and suggesting you download Chrome and use that instead of Safari.
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by klyrs on Sunday October 11, 2020 @02:07PM
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Wow, it seems like anybody else would get their app promptly revoked without recourse
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by jamesgeck0 on Sunday October 11, 2020 @06:00PM
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Browser selection in the iOS Gmail app has been broken forever. If you select "Chrome" it opens links in iOS Chrome. If you select "Safari" it opens links in an in-app webview which doesn't share cookies with actual Safari.
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by shajznnckfke on Sunday October 11, 2020 @06:09PM
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This webview behavior seems to be common across a lot of apps. I habitually tap the Safari icon on the bottom right of the webview to get into the Safari app. I had the impression that iOS must require this, perhaps to prevent an app from being able to effectively pollute the user’s global cookies, or to prevent broken UX when the user has some existing global cookie that changes website behavior in a way the developer doesn’t expect. It’s annoying to have to tap out of the webview to avoid repeated logins, but I could imagine it being the least-bad solution to a more complicated problem. Maybe a less confusing way to present it would be for the webview to open in a private tab?
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by jamesgeck0 on Sunday October 11, 2020 @09:20PM
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I'm skeptical that Apple is imposing this on them. Many apps (Reeder, Reddit, Discord, Toot!) have an option to toggle between opening links in an in-app webview or Safari.
Reeder's options are "In-app browser," "Safari," and "Firefox" on my device.
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by FridgeSeal on Sunday October 11, 2020 @08:35PM
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I suspect this is a very deliberate decision.
Use Chrome -> everything works perfectly Use Safari -> enjoy your deliberately degraded experience
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by beaner on Sunday October 11, 2020 @02:24PM
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Is that a Gmail bug or an iOS bug?
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by shajznnckfke on Sunday October 11, 2020 @06:06PM
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On my Gmail app it opens a Safari webview every time. I see in the Gmail “Default apps” settings there’s a “Ask me which app to use every time” slider. Maybe you have that turned on?
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by kalleboo on Sunday October 11, 2020 @09:41PM
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It doesn't happen every time, it asks again maybe once a month, or maybe after OS updates or something. That setting is definitely off.
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by swiley on Sunday October 11, 2020 @08:41PM
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Pro tip: the google product sites tend to be more well behaved then the apps and don't nag like this. Usually all you lose is notifications.
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by jimnotgym on Sunday October 11, 2020 @04:39AM
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They also serve more Captchas, and more complex Captchas to non-chrome browsers
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by fiblye on Sunday October 11, 2020 @09:35PM
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I've dealt with this so many times.
On Chrome, no captchas. On other browsers, I've literally gone through 5 minutes of fire hydrant selection with no end in sight. Sometimes it'll simply reject it and tell me to start again a dozen times, and other times it's just infinitely adding more.
I really want there to be a third party captcha system that isn't just a covert push into Google's filthy, corrupt, incompetent ecosystem.
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by _-___________-_ on Monday October 12, 2020 @05:34AM
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CloudFlare's switch to bCaptcha or whatever it's called has made that experience much more pleasant when using non-Chrome browsers, because you can install the Privacy Pass addon and see them much less frequently
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by hetspookjee on Sunday October 11, 2020 @02:52PM
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Well that's quite ironic haha. I mean, Chrome has more built-in tracking to deduce you're a human.
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by bawolff on Sunday October 11, 2020 @02:49AM
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Honestly i haven't. Last time i regularly saw that sort of thing it was MSIE vs netscape navigator.
*as a firefox user. I imagine if i used something really obscure it would happen more often.
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by Yoric on Sunday October 11, 2020 @04:12AM
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As a Firefox user, I regularly see sites that ask me to switch over to Chrome. Even some very mainstream open-source projects only support Chrome properly.
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by onion2k on Sunday October 11, 2020 @02:45AM
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Have you ever used another browser and seen a "This site works better in Chrome, download now" on a Google property?
I find it hard to blame Google or Chrome for that. It's a developer (or business) choice.
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by viraptor on Sunday October 11, 2020 @03:14AM
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Why do you find it hard to blame Google (the business behind Chrome) for making a business decision of pushing for Chrome installation? This is a straightforward relationship.
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by onion2k on Sunday October 11, 2020 @04:14AM
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I didn't say I agreed with that[1]. All I said was developers making websites that only work in Chrome is the devs fault; it's not Chrome's problem.
[1] As it happens Google advertising Chrome on Google websites seems fairly reasonable to me, but anyway.
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by viraptor on Sunday October 11, 2020 @07:01AM
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An independent developer - sure. But Google developers should not be actively making other browser's access worse. (They did)
Re:Feds may target Google's Chrome browser for breakup
by rgbrenner on Sunday October 11, 2020 @02:09PM
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[1] As it happens Google advertising Chrome on Google websites seems fairly reasonable to me, but anyway.
This is the very definition of monopoly abuse: Using your monopoly in one market (search) to push into another market (browsers). Exactly what got Microsoft in trouble in the 90s... and looking at firefox marketshare, it's having exactly the same results.
They do it even to other Chromium based browsers. They degrade the experience on Firefox, Safari, and Microsoft Edge, persistently nagging people to switch browsers.
That persistent nagging has an impact, especially for non-technical users who might only understand that Google, YouTube, Google Maps, or another Google property they trust is telling them that Chrome is better. Well, if Google is saying it, it must be true, right?
And that's not even mentioning the ways in which Google has degraded the experience in more tangible ways by turning off features for mobile browsers, fighting app compatibility on Windows Phone to the point of breaking Google Maps - literally just serving an inferior experience and using user agent detection to impair Windows Phone - or blocking the YouTube API on the device.
I just opened up google.com on Edge and this popped up in the top right corner:
"Switch to Chrome for Windows
Built for Windows. Hide annoying ads and protect against malware on the web."
I then went to maps.google.com:
"Google recommends using Chrome Try a fast, secure browser with updates built in"
I then went to news.google.com:
"Google recommends using Chrome Try a fast, secure browser with updates built in"
That was just a fresh first sign in experience, and as I understand it, these prompts recur - I still see them occasionally on my primary browser, Firefox!