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Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by dwd on Saturday October 10, 2020 @07:47PM (#24742770)
I was once told by an electrical engineer that the whole ban on using a cell phone near a pump was due to potential interference with how the dispenser tracks how much you have pumped.

Is there any truth this?

Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by jcrawfordor on Sunday October 11, 2020 @12:02AM (#24743625)
The situation is a bit complicated. From having done a moderate amount of research over years, there are basically two answers:

1) Signs that you should not use a cell phone at a gas pump are largely a result of a string of incidents in the '90s in which gas station fires occurred when the operator was using a cell phone. Causation was assumed and the warning decals were put on pumps. Later research by the Petroleum Energy Institute, an industry group, did not find any incidents that were actually caused by cell phones. The correlation may be due to a confounding factor, that people talking on cell phones are more likely to get in/out of their vehicle while pumping which could cause a static discharge. The PEI reports that, in general, improvements in vapor management in vehicles and fuel dispensers makes the risk of static discharge causing a fire low at modern gas stations.

2) General industrial best practice, and various safety regulations which are influential but not necessarily applicable to consumer gas stations, prohibit the use of electronic devices near flammable substances unless those devices are certified to be safe for that use. While many cell phones are probably "intrinsically safe" (do not involve potentials high enough to reasonably produce a spark), few are actually verified to that standard by the manufacturer (would need to be labelled "intrinsically safe" by the manufacturer following their safety analysis). In a safety-regulated environment they would thus be prohibited out of an excess of caution.

On the balance it seems likely that cell phone use at the fuel dispenser is probably not a hazard, but it never hurts to minimize distractions and extra factors when handling something potentially explosive.

Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by dannyw on Sunday October 11, 2020 @05:22AM (#24744635)
Furthermore the cost is low: 60 seconds of not using your phone isn’t a big deal. If you’re calling someone, put them on hold.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by sischoel on Sunday October 11, 2020 @05:35AM (#24744686)
I once had a stopover on a flight and was told that I was not allowed to use my phone in the plane as they where currently refueling. I am still skeptical if my phone would really be able to cause some hazard.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by anon_cow1111 on Saturday October 10, 2020 @08:09PM (#24742879)
This might have been true historically, but samsung has since released the Galaxy Note 7.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by taneq on Sunday October 11, 2020 @08:34AM (#24745361)
They seem pretty capable of exploding in your pocket and starting a fire at the petrol station. No need to be talking on it at the time.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by ClumsyPilot on Sunday October 11, 2020 @06:44AM (#24744892)
Once in a blue moon even a dog shoots his owner, or a person is born with two genitals.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by dsshanley on Saturday October 10, 2020 @07:52PM (#24742800)
I don’t think that’s the main concern. I worked on offshore platforms and the devices needed to be class 1 div 2 compliant. Meaning they need to be sealed completely to avoid vapors being sparked by electrical devices. It’s a small risk, but gasoline vapor is very combustible.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by btbuildem on Saturday October 10, 2020 @10:25PM (#24743369)
I wouldn't be surprised it was to discourage distractions while fuelling up.

You know, for the types that tend to drive off with the dispenser nozzle still in the tank.

Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by santraginean on Saturday October 10, 2020 @08:47PM (#24743022)
What I read back when the bans were lifted around here was that cell phone use correlated with people opening the car door and rummaging around, which created a static electricity buildup, and that that was the real fire risk.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by bluedino on Saturday October 10, 2020 @09:27PM (#24743176)
You’re supposed to ground yourself by touching your vehicles before the gas pump

Source: workplace safety videos I was forced to watch, years ago

Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by davrosthedalek on Saturday October 10, 2020 @10:21PM (#24743351)
I'm not sure vehicles on rubber tires are particularly well grounded.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by myself248 on Sunday October 11, 2020 @10:13AM (#24745919)
Normal tires have carbon added to the rubber to make them slightly conductive, enough to drain static.

Specialty tires like you find on drag cars do not. This is why you also see grounding straps dangling from drag cars -- to keep the driver from getting a shock when they step out after a run.

Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by userbinator on Saturday October 10, 2020 @10:59PM (#24743454)
"grounding" in this case refers to equalising the potential difference.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by dredmorbius on Sunday October 11, 2020 @09:37AM (#24745675)
You are.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by taneq on Sunday October 11, 2020 @08:35AM (#24745368)
These days the filler tube on the car is made of plastic so it's less important. I did get yelled at for not putting a (plastic) fuel container on the ground "to ground it" before filling it, so the rituals persist even when the root cause has been resolved.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by santraginean on Sunday October 11, 2020 @11:57PM (#24751244)
Absolutely, yeah, you’re supposed to! People don’t, though, hence the (still small) fire risk.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by TwoBit on Saturday October 10, 2020 @11:10PM (#24743479)
As if anybody is going to remember that.
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by rangibaby on Sunday October 11, 2020 @05:45AM (#24744715)
Gas pumps where I live have a piece of metal you can touch to ground yourself
Re:How does a gas pump know to shut itself off? (1981) by galphanet on Sunday October 11, 2020 @10:46AM (#24746148)
When you fill in an.airplane, you need to ground it with a special cable that comes with the pump.