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Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by herbstein on Saturday October 10, 2020 @10:17AM (#24739150)
In some instances, like standing up to a violent, oppressive, and dictatorial regime violence is generally considered an acceptable form of political action.
Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by SpicyLemonZest on Saturday October 10, 2020 @10:22AM (#24739176)
Even if that's true - and I'm not going to get into that debate here - surely that doesn't mean that every company has to allow their products to become tools of mass violence.
Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by extropy on Saturday October 10, 2020 @10:47AM (#24739339)
The trick is that Apple is essentially a utility company and replacing it is a significant expense to the user. And it needs to be aware of it's power and act accordingly. Maybe a "device neutrality" law should be in order.

To throw a dumb example your electricity company is not policing you for how you are using your killowats.

Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by nradov on Saturday October 10, 2020 @01:33PM (#24740459)
Electrical utilities in many areas did routinely report excessive usage to law enforcement for investigation of suspected indoor marijuana farms.
Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by SpicyLemonZest on Saturday October 10, 2020 @11:03AM (#24739434)
I'd like to see such a law, but I'm not sure this particular situation can be solved that way. The Belarusian government would presumably just pass a non-neutrality law, and then we're in the same place as before where Apple has to decide based on moral and practical considerations.
Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by wussboy on Saturday October 10, 2020 @10:50AM (#24739368)
Violence may be seen as legitimate, but it shouldn’t be seen as effective. In a study of over 300 movements, non violent protests are twice as effective. https://www.belfercenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/file...
Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by vr46 on Saturday October 10, 2020 @06:16PM (#24742268)
Non-violence is only effective where the oppressor is vulnerable to moral pressure. In many cases, the oppressor is not.

(Not stating my personal examples, too contentious, but I'm sure you could find your own).

Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by ALittleLight on Saturday October 10, 2020 @01:32PM (#24740447)
If you had a study showing that in over 300 carpentry projects hammers were used twice as often as screwdrivers, would that convince you to hammer in a screw?

My point is that violence may not be a good fit for every situation, but that doesn't mean it never is. Gandhi was an effective non-violent protester, against the British in Africa when backed by large numbers. How effective would Gandhi have been protesting against the Nazis?

I don't know anything about Belarus, so I don't know anything about what is or isn't justified, it just seems wrong to me to suggest that violence is categorically less effective. Political violence is a tool and like any other has moments where it should and shouldn't be used.

Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by scarmig on Saturday October 10, 2020 @01:12PM (#24740335)
As far as I can tell, though, unmasking isn't really coded as violent in the sense that the writer suggests.
Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by UVStaska on Monday October 12, 2020 @02:52AM (#24752043)
Huh? Tell that to Ukrainian at first peaceful protestors. Which then turned into mildly violent, then hard violent (from the govt side largely) in the end, including what Ukraine now calls the 100 in Heaven ?

How ineffective was that protest?

Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by nradov on Saturday October 10, 2020 @01:30PM (#24740435)
Non-violent protests didn't work too well against the Nazis. There are exceptions to every rule.
Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by bigbubba on Saturday October 10, 2020 @01:19PM (#24740369)
Would nonviolent protest against Hitler have been twice as effective as the war?
Re:Apple tells Telegram to take down protestor channels in B... by rpdillon on Saturday October 10, 2020 @11:53AM (#24739752)
> allow their products to become tools

This is precisely why lack of choice in app stores is so harmful. The phones belong to the people. Without the app store, the manufacturer has no grounds to allow or disallow behavior.