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Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by jamiequint on Friday October 09, 2020 @02:58PM (#24733188)
Do you believe that people providing a service should not be able to choose how to charge for it in any other context outside of websites?
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by jedberg on Friday October 09, 2020 @03:49PM (#24733711)
As the guy that helped build the first ad platform on reddit, no, I don't think the provider should choose.

When we built the first reddit ad system, none of us liked ads, and we knew that a lot of users didn't either. We knew that we had to make useful ads if we wanted people not to block us. We knew we had to make them unobtrusive and even enjoyable.

We knew that we had to build an ad product people enjoyed if we wanted them to be effective and not get blocked.

And we knew some people would block them anyway, and that was fine. Heck, we even added an option to turn them off if you paid us, so that people had options.

I used to not run adblock as a way of supporting sites I liked, but then all the ads got so bad I just couldn't do it anymore. Now I just find other ways to pay for the sites I love.

Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by thu2111 on Saturday October 10, 2020 @01:14PM (#24740343)
The fact that the people who built Reddit ads didn't care if it worked and now blocks ads might explain why Reddit isn't profitable.
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by proverbialbunny on Friday October 09, 2020 @03:13PM (#24733356)
It doesn't work the way you think it does. Ads are paid for my the click. Some people never click on ads. The kinds of people who are likely to consider running an ad blocker are the same type who never click on ads regardless if they have ads or not.

The ideal situation is never advertising ad blockers, never bragging about them, never making a big deal about them, and keeping some mild barrier of entry. This way the average person who has less of a concern about ads will not run an ad blocker, and meanwhile the one who never makes money for the company to begin with doesn't have to deal with it.

Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by the8bit on Friday October 09, 2020 @03:41PM (#24733638)
Ads are not just charged by click. Some campaigns pay by impression served and some pay by conversion. It depends on what the advertiser is trying to accomplish. Pepsi might pay per impression because their goal is brand awareness. Local Pizza joint might pay per click b/c they want to drive business off the web. AFKArena wants to pay by conversion because their ultimate goal is to get app installs.

Ads of all of these types generally compete for the same slot in an auction.

So yes, a user who has adblock is worth less than a user who doesn't have adblock but also doesn't click ads.

Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by 0_gravitas on Friday October 09, 2020 @10:27PM (#24736291)
Technically, if the user with adblocker doesn't even count as an impression, and the campaign pays per conversion, then the overall click-through-rate of the ad goes up, which means higher RPMs!
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by jamiequint on Friday October 09, 2020 @03:21PM (#24733443)
I ran the ads product org at one of the 10 biggest websites in the US. I'm pretty sure that ads work the way that I think they do.
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by chillwaves on Friday October 09, 2020 @04:37PM (#24734182)
Do you believe the person who owns the computer has a right to how that webpage is displayed?
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by jamiequint on Friday October 09, 2020 @05:26PM (#24734615)
In general yes, but not if they've agreed to display things in a certain way in order to receive a service, then accept the delivery of that service but don't follow through on their part of the agreement.
Re:“35-50% of clicks on Reddit Ads are fraudulent” by account42 on Monday October 12, 2020 @04:56AM (#24752580)
Where has the user agreed to display ads?