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Re:How tech workers at Kickstarter formed one of the only un... by pjc50 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @07:58AM (#24718278)
The general term for everyone having to join the union is "closed shop". It was apparently outlawed in the US in 1947: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_shop so I'm not clear how that's still happening.

It was declared illegal in the EU in 2006: https://www.internationallawoffice.com/Newsletters/Employmen...

Re:How tech workers at Kickstarter formed one of the only un... by username90 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @08:23AM (#24718441)
There is no difference between between being forced to join and being forced to pay the same dues and follow same rules. That is why right-to-work laws is important, the law in 1947 did nothing to stop it.
Re:How tech workers at Kickstarter formed one of the only un... by fennecfoxen on Thursday October 08, 2020 @08:56AM (#24718680)
Yeah, the union agreement gives the union money whether or not you're a member.

This was recently ruled illegal in the public sector (Janus v. AFSCME), because of first amendment concerns (the state is forcing you to pay money for union lobbying).

This hasn't resulted in a drop in membership, in no small part due to many unions adopting freakishly Byzantine opt-out measures, e.g. the ones where there's a certain window of 10 days a year that you can leave (computed relative to when you signed your union card, never advertised by the union — and if the employer even mentions these rights the union might attempt legal action under California law which forbids their employer from doing anything to "deter or discourage public employees from becoming or remaining members").

Re:How tech workers at Kickstarter formed one of the only un... by skitout on Thursday October 08, 2020 @09:54AM (#24719104)
There is a big difference.

As French taxpayer I am forced to (indirectly) pay for all French political parties, including extreme right. This money gives political parties some freedom to act, to nourish the political debate... seen as a way to straighten the political debate and the democracy ; good for the general interest.

Still the number of members of a given political movement and the share of people voting for it is giving it the real power. And as someone only forced to give (indirectly) some money to a given movement is then entirely different than being force to join such a movement. And that is the same here for union.

Please note that as a worker, you are forced to "pay" for the stockholder. If you are not happy with it you can pick another oragnisation. Same goes for union, you are always free to join a union free company...

Re:How tech workers at Kickstarter formed one of the only un... by zip1234 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @09:04AM (#24718727)
In the US, there are state by state rules now. It is complicated.
Re:How tech workers at Kickstarter formed one of the only un... by mcv on Thursday October 08, 2020 @09:55AM (#24719115)
Interesting that it's so common in the US despite having been illegal for so long, whereas it hardly ever happens in the EU despite it having been legal until recently.
Re:How tech workers at Kickstarter formed one of the only un... by throwaway0a5e on Thursday October 08, 2020 @08:17AM (#24718406)
>I'm not clear how that's still happening.

"Congratulations you're hired. We can either hire you with an official job title of an X at wage V or a Y and wage W, Y is a union position, here's the paperwork"

It's not a "closed shop" but in practice if you want to get paid at a level befitting the work you're doing it is. Since unions are