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Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by Consultant32452 on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @11:27PM (#24715394)
Glass is 100% recyclable infinite times with zero loss. If you shatter it, you can just melt it and reform it again.
Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by ars on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @11:37PM (#24715462)
Glass is also 100% pointless to recycle. The planet's crust is made of glass, it's not exactly a scarce resource, and old glass is environmentally harmless.

And in the real world it's virtually never recycled, instead its crushed and used as landfill cover (they cover the trash each night to keep down vermin).

Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by cedilla on Thursday October 08, 2020 @05:38AM (#24717463)
It's easier, cheaper and less energy intensive than producing new glass. Literally billions of tons of glass are recycled each year.
Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by simon1573 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @04:04AM (#24716983)
Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by iguy on Thursday October 08, 2020 @05:11AM (#24717327)
I can't read the article, but in my understanding, sand for concrete is what might be scarce. Because it has to have particles with the right degree of sharp corners. (IIRC, the Saudis import this from Australia or something, because their wind-blown sand is too round.) But glass is much easier.
Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by proc0 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @03:51AM (#24716902)
"they cover the trash each night to keep down vermin"

shudders

Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by TylerE on Thursday October 08, 2020 @12:22AM (#24715766)
Do you think that energy is free? Do you think that heat comes from magic?
Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by triceratops on Thursday October 08, 2020 @12:31AM (#24715822)
Don't we have an oversupply of renewable energy when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing, and nowhere to store it?
Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by fiblye on Thursday October 08, 2020 @02:18AM (#24716397)
I'm not too knowledgeable on the process of glass manufacturing, but I know glass takes a pretty high temperature to melt. Mega operations needed for mass manufacture might be different, but smaller scale ones usually heat things up in furnaces burning at thousands of degrees.

Not too hard to get that heat by burning fuel, but through wind power? Not sure how it'll be done.

Not dismissing it. I just really don't know.

Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by bluGill on Thursday October 08, 2020 @09:48AM (#24719073)
Wind to heat is easy: just run an electric [arc] furnace. This is how most commercial steel foundries heat iron. this is how Aluminum ore is smelted (the point is the electron exchange, molten metal is a welcome side effect).

The above is why aluminum is smelted in low energy cost areas. the above is why my company runs the foundry only for the night shift - the power company gives us a discount for using power at night when they need to keep the base load power plants running even though nobody is using power, which more than makes up for the extra pay we give to for working the night shift. (Now that wind is >50% of the electric mix in my state I wonder if the shifts are changing)

In fact most high temperature is generated from electric not fuel. If you burn something to get high temperatures the process is inefficient, turning the fuel into electricity and then the electricity into heat is more efficient (look up carnot efficiency)

Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by c22 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @02:22PM (#24722091)
Frickin' lasers, perhaps?
Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by Polylactic_acid on Thursday October 08, 2020 @01:05AM (#24716026)
Sometimes and someplaces. Australia regularly has negative power prices due to rooftop solar.
Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by cedilla on Thursday October 08, 2020 @05:40AM (#24717471)
Recycling glass takes a bit less energy than producing new glass (and a lot less CO2 is emitted during the process).
Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by watwut on Thursday October 08, 2020 @05:29AM (#24717418)
Wait till you learn how glass is made in the first place.