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Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by m4rtink on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @11:24PM (#24715371)
I'm not sure it's entirely correct to say you can't use recycled plastic for injection molding - sure, if you just melt all the dirty & UV damaged plastic with who knows what additives and color pigments, it will not work as well as carefully managed single sourced regular feedstock.

Still, the stuff is still basically hydrocarbons either way - you should be able to break it down to it's constituents and refine it to something indistinguishable from the normal feed stock. Woukd it be horrendously energy intensive ? Most likely! But definitely doable.

BTW, this is why I'm skeptical to efforts to fix the environment just by saving energy. Sure, it should not be wasted but if we want to fix all damage that has veen done while still providing adequate standards of living for everyone, we beed to produce much much moore energy than we do now & do it in a clean way - most likely mega massive solar on enything, lots of nuclear fission and possibly massed off shore wind as well. Ideally backed by storage if/where possible.

Together with megaproject scale waste processing it should be possible to cleanup (and reuse!) all the old stuff while also handling all the new stuff comming in.

And the end result would be a nice clean plabet yet again, but this time with very robust energy and industrial infrastructure ready to face future challenges - or disasters!

Sounds like something one can aspire for rather than all the doom and gloom one sees some days.

Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by Sylamore on Thursday October 08, 2020 @12:45AM (#24715912)
Buddy of mine works for a company that takes mixed plastic waste and converts it into fuel & feedstock for further plastic reuse. Their goal is to set up small plants throughout the country near plastic production sites, he works at what is effectively their prototype facility in NC. Best news article I found about them: https://www.farmvilleherald.com/2020/06/braven-to-give-plast...

And their about page, they use a form of pyrolysis: https://bravenenvironmental.com/braven-advantage/#advantage

Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by hackerfromthefu on Thursday October 08, 2020 @01:22AM (#24716103)
I agree, we need to learn to transmute materials and specifically clean up the waste we've already created. Our technology still has far to evolve to manage it but it's the only truly realistic way forward for our race.
Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by ars on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @11:32PM (#24715426)
> you should be able to break it down to it's constituents and refine it to something indistinguishable from the normal feed stock. Woukd it be horrendously energy intensive ? Most likely!

Or ... just burn it for energy, and thereby pump less oil.

Sure you'll need more oil for more plastic, but you come out ahead because by burning the plastic you save some oil.

This whole plastic recycling stuff makes zero sense.

Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by zbrozek on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @11:50PM (#24715556)
AFAIK Japan does this and it works out OK for them. But I'd love to read more about it if there are decent English sources.
Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by PaulKeeble on Thursday October 08, 2020 @12:22AM (#24715769)
Greenwich council in the London, UK does this. They have the worst recycling of any area in the UK and part of the reason is they burn almost all the plastic they gather from recycling, just 5% by volume gets recycled and the rest is burnt.
Re:Recycling was a lie to sell more plastic, recycling indus... by fomine3 on Thursday October 08, 2020 @08:14PM (#24725401)
This article(ja) looks good to read via translate.

https://synodos.jp/society/22945