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Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by 2arrs2ells on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:10PM (#24699273)
There's a great reply-all on Feral Hogs: https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/n8hw3d that explores the tweet:

“Legit question for rural Americans - how do I kill the 30-50 feral hogs that run into my yard within 3-5 min while my small kids play.”

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by rozab on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @04:14PM (#24701860)
Strange how they didn't even address the main point, which is that if your young children are being swarmed by 30-50 feral hogs you probably aren't going to disappear into your house, unlock your gun safe, retrieve and load your gun then come back to their rescue 5 minutes later. That just seems like a gratuitous excuse to shoot 30-50 feral hogs.

And yet, it sounds like this is literally what the guy did.

PJ: Willie told me the reason his wife was scared is these weren’t like, barnyard pigs, they were feral hogs. They’re more like wild boars – some have big sharp tusks, they’re much bigger, with longer legs. They move really fast. And that moment, there was a bunch of them swarming around his 4 and 5 year old. It was scary.

WILLIE: I went to my safe. I got my gun. I got my shells. Went right out on the back porch.

PJ: And how were the hogs acting? Were they like moving quickly? Were they–

WILLIE: Well, yeah. You know, they’re running all through the yard from the back of my yard all the way to the front. And then I pick out, of course, the ones that look the meanest. The one with the tusk. These are two or three hundred pound hogs. I’m not letting them near my family.

PJ: Yeah–

WILLIE: So, just for lack of a better term, I just start laying them down.

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by omginternets on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @05:24PM (#24702485)
> [...] if your young children are being swarmed by 30-50 feral hogs you probably aren't going to disappear into your house, unlock your gun safe, retrieve and load your gun then come back to their rescue 5 minutes later.

I may be misunderstanding your comment, but that seems perfectly reasonable to me. Retrieving a gun doesn't take 5 minutes.

Let t be the time at which the hogs arrive.

I can sprint from my basement to the top floor in a bit over 5 seconds. I can find something in a closet in about 5 more seconds. That's about 12-13 seconds to having a gun in my hands, but let's account for opening the gun safe and fumbling around for magazines. The clock is now showing t+30.

Let's now assume the gun isn't loaded. I'm probably a bit stressed by all of this, but almost anyone can load a magazine-fed rifle in 5 seconds. t+35s.

Now I have two choices:

1. Open the bedroom window (~3s), take aim (~2s) and fire. => t+40s

2. Sprint down to the ground floor (~3s), run out the back door (~2s), get into a shooting position (~3s), aim (~2s) and fire. => t+45s

A conservative estimate has me shooting hogs in 45 seconds. If I live in a place where this is a problem, I'm also likely to take steps to prepare. I might keep the gun safe in a more accessible place (e.g. the garage). I might store the firearm in the gun safe with a magazine already seated in the well. I might keep my eyes open and notice the hogs at a distance, giving me the time to fetch a gun sans the frenzy. In some parts of the world, it's common to keep a rifle at hand when outside.

I don't live in a part of the world where I have to deal with feral hogs, but this doesn't strike me as a "gratuitous excuse to shoot 30-50 feral hogs". Nor does it strike me as diagnostic of unsafe firearm handling, as others have suggested.

-- EDIT --

The most worrying thing here is the idea of shooting in a place where little kids were running around/playing just moments ago. While this kind of situation can be handled safely, it's also where dramatic accidents tend to happen. A big problem with firearms handling is that it's a perishable skill. You forget. You get rusty.

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by wahern on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @09:39PM (#24704443)
> I might keep the gun safe in a more accessible place (e.g. the garage). I might store the firearm in the gun safe with a magazine already seated in the well.

In many U.S. states a gun safe or other secure storage isn't required. (And even when required people don't necessarily obey it.) Getting your gun might be as simple as grabbing it off the living room wall. It might even already be loaded. Even in households with children--that's why accidents happen.

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by omginternets on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @08:16AM (#24707426)
Indeed, though that’s another topic entirely.
Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by anonAndOn on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @06:25PM (#24703077)
PTSD your kids much? What 5 year old wouldn't want to have dad actively shooting at/near them?
Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by omginternets on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @08:06PM (#24703925)
I’m trying to come up with a thoughtful reply, but I can’t figure out how you managed to interpret my comment as “you should shoot at your kids, or otherwise handle firearms unsafely”.

Are you perhaps projecting onto me some ideas you have about the kinds of people who discuss guns?

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by anonAndOn on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @12:00AM (#24705174)
Maybe because the whole premise of your hypothetical is how quickly you can start picking off hogs in the yard while the kids are out there? In what way would ANYONE consider it reasonable or safe to start shooting with kids in the range of fire?

I am definitely interpreting your lack of concern for small humans as someone who does not have kids nor understand their lack of ability to do whatever it is you think they should do when being shot at.

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by omginternets on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @08:16AM (#24707417)
Again it’s hard to see how you got that from my post. It seems like guns are something of a dog whistle for you, so let’s just leave it at that.
Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by dafoex on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @08:40AM (#24707572)
Your original comment discusses the time it takes to go from having no gun to being in a position to fire your gun at wildlife that has bypassed your garden fence. You make no mention of the time it takes to actually retrieve the children from the garden who are too small and not strong enough to fight their way past the enormous number of hypothetical hogs. Those children need to be picked up and carried to safety before you can unload into the sea of brown fur that 30 to 50 feral hogs would become if packed into a small garden. Ideally, if those hogs are violent and armed with tusks that could break an arm, you should be rescuing the small, weak, juvenile humans before taking any other action.
Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by pvaldes on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @06:43PM (#24703237)
A hurt pig can turn into a really dangerous creature, will charge against any human, including children, so shooting them is the worst idea possible. Females are social. Killing one of the small pigs will 100% grant triggering a vicious attack from their mother and aunts. Just running towards the children and allow the pigs an escape route would be a much safer move.

The tale looks much more like an excuse to explain having a lot of furtive hunting in the fridge IMO.

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by omginternets on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @08:16PM (#24703999)
Did you mean to reply to me?

I haven’t been confronted with feral pigs, so I’ll take you at your word. What I can say with great confidence is that it doesn’t take 5 minutes to get a gun, so the fact that someone manages to shoot pigs in their back yard doesn’t in itself point to furtive hunting.

I guess that leaves us with two possibilities:

- poaching

- a bad response to a legitimate threat

You can rest assured that we agree both are bad.

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by dmoy on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @09:19PM (#24704345)
It was for sure not poaching.

It is strictly legal to hunt feral pigs any time of the day or night (!!), any time of the year, without permit in Arkansas, so long as it's on private property. You can even do it on public property if you have a generic hunting license, though there's time-of-year and time-of-day restrictions in that case.

There is no bag limit. You can even do it with night vision.

But yes, shooting pigs with small children playing nearby isn't good. I don't know the context, maybe it was very obvious that the kids all got safely inside and accounted for.

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by pvaldes on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @06:47AM (#24706949)
If it was Europe I would say 100% excuse to poaching. I had seen similar cases here of hunters claiming that there are too much wildboars so they must be granted a special permit to hunt more out of season. Cameras at the same time don't show the wildpigcalipse that newspapers claim

... but if is legal in US, is legal. Definitely unwise in any case.

If this is a concern in some areas, just a small stone wall around the kids's playing area would deter the pigs to enter. They do not jump very well.

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by dmoy on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @01:24PM (#24710518)
> .. but if is legal in US, is legal. Definitely unwise in any case.

It is only legal in a handful of states, usually those with insane quantities of feral pigs.

In a lot of the US, it would be illegal. However in Arkansas where the person in question was, it was legal on private property.

In nearby Alabama or Louisiana you need a permit, likewise in California. So in those states it would have been illegal. In Arkansas, Texas, or Oklahoma, there's no permit.

In Texas, it's legal on public property even. Texas has a feral pig population nearing 2m, which causes almost (supposedly) half a billion dollars in damage annually. Or $50m. Or a billion. It depends on the study.

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by omginternets on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @10:54AM (#24708895)
> Definitely unwise in any case.

I think this relates to the specifics of the situation.

If you're on farmland, and you've ensured your family is in a safe place, it's pretty safe. The danger -- as I mentioned in a previous comment -- is that this kind of situational awareness is a perishable skill. If it's not being practiced (ideally by all parties involved), it's easy to make mistakes. It's definitely not like riding a bike.

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by bitcurious on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @05:12PM (#24702380)
The most likely explanation is that he wasn’t storing his guns safely but didn’t want to admit that on the record.
Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by dafoex on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @08:28AM (#24707496)
It also sounds like, going by your interpretation of the chain of events, that they shot at the pigs while the kids were still in the garden that was swarmed by said pigs.

All the while seeming to ignore the fact they have a rather large hole in their fence if multiple colonies of feral hogs worth of feral hogs can enter the garden in a very short space of time.

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by 3633735324 on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @04:59PM (#24702272)
Why would you not shoot them if they're overwhelming your property? We shoot deer all the time to keep populations in check.
Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by dafoex on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @08:47AM (#24707623)
I don't disagree, but there was no mention of rescuing the children from the line of fire. Maybe that's obvious from context in the states, but it sounds like the guy went "wild pigs are attacking my kids, I need to shoot the wild pigs that are very close to my kids who may or may not be moving erratically and unexpectedly due to them being attacked by bloody dangerous wild pigs"
Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by rkuykendall-com on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @12:17PM (#24699364)
This episode was amazing. They use the tweet, which mostly just fueled a day of twitter memes, as a jumping off point into a really fantastic dive into the entire issue. The tweet author is also involved and it's so great.
Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by setr on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @07:24PM (#24703636)
given their apparent absurd capabilities (eats anything, breeds like rabbit, grows to absurd sizes) I'm not clear what stops them from overrunning any environment they exist in, including their native environments in europe?

All of the natural predators coming up from googling seem to be fairly "weak" at population control -- alligators, cats, large birds (preying on the young) -- so it seems to be the wild hog has both the traits of an apex omnivore, but also comical rates of breeding; combined with their ability to eat just about anything (including each other), it almost as if the inevitable outcome should have been complete and total domination of the world centuries ago

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by opportune on Wednesday October 07, 2020 @12:48AM (#24705409)
Wolves?

I am having trouble linking it but Wikipedia says that wolves are indeed the primary natural predator of wold board

Re:Feral pig populations have grown to unmanageable numbers by regnarg on Tuesday October 06, 2020 @03:45PM (#24701591)
An LMG sounds like a good choice.