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Re:How narcissistic leaders infect their organizations’ cult... by motohagiography on Monday October 05, 2020 @11:28AM (#24688593)
What's narcissism really? Is it NPD or another cluster of personality disorders, or is it a much more pervasive set of examples of poor character and undeveloped virtue?

From the article: "Narcissistic leaders have personalities that are profoundly grandiose, overconfident, and dishonest, credit-stealing, and blame-throwing, according to Chatman. They are abusive to their subordinates, think they are superior, don’t listen to experts, create conflict, and believe the rules simply don’t apply to them. They can explode in rage at any sign of disagreement or disloyalty. There’s always an “I” in their conception of the team."

It reads more like a complaint and not an observation. I think the basic mistake these and other people make when they interpret the myth of Narcissus is thinking that he is in love with "himself," instead of the more incisive insight that he is preoccupied with his reflection, that is, how he imagines himself to be perceived by others. That is the crippling pathology, which manifests in bizarre behavior that is over-indexed on shaping the perfectness of that reflection. Whenever I see "narcissism," mentioned anywhere these days, it's always the same kind of complaint made by someone who identifies as feeling inferior to an imagined charismatic, glad handling, type-A personality.

Narcissism really is a pervasive problem, but mainly because it's not what most people think it is, and the roots of it are not something most people are prepared to face.

Re:How narcissistic leaders infect their organizations’ cult... by hhs on Monday October 05, 2020 @11:35AM (#24688660)
If interested, the piece has a link that goes in depth on what narcissism is. Specifically, this is in the fourth paragraph, which links to the words ‘dark side’, with a 23 page article.
Re:How narcissistic leaders infect their organizations’ cult... by jl2718 on Monday October 05, 2020 @10:46PM (#24694300)
This also reads like a complaint. I don’t see anything in that definition that distinguishes it from other dark triad personalities.

But I have been looking into this a lot, and I think the way to understand it is as an intense insecurity. Maybe about something that was their key to receiving acceptance and affection as children. These are people in pain; they don’t see yours. It is the most benign of the dark triad in that the others begin deliberate manipulation and harm.

Re:How narcissistic leaders infect their organizations’ cult... by arauhala on Monday October 05, 2020 @01:43PM (#24690054)
Regarding this topic, I found the following paper on TNT (three nightmare traits) interesting and bringing some clarity to the issues/confusions you are mentioning:

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2018.0087...

Re:How narcissistic leaders infect their organizations’ cult... by timwaagh on Monday October 05, 2020 @11:59AM (#24688910)
i feel this question needs to be asked a lot more. we talk about and discuss these personality traits without any sort of clear idea of what were talking about.
Re:How narcissistic leaders infect their organizations’ cult... by kirse on Monday October 05, 2020 @11:49AM (#24688808)
Narcissism... pride... sin... it's all the same. Modern psychology has preferred to repackage and relabel the "sin" [1] that was identified thousands of years ago. But while they were busy editing out the big "G" and everything He had to say about fixing it, they ironically edited out the only Answer that can truly lead a man away from his obsession over his own reflection. Then again, imagine what would that do to the market for self-help books.

[1] Galatians 5:19-21 - "The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Re:How narcissistic leaders infect their organizations’ cult... by cma on Monday October 05, 2020 @12:35PM (#24689303)
I don't know about that. The Old Testament has things like if kids make fun of a bald headed man, he can, out of narcissism, get god to send bears to murder them for the insult to his appearance.

> 2 Kings 2:23-24 - 23 Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.

Re:How narcissistic leaders infect their organizations’ cult... by kirse on Monday October 05, 2020 @01:45PM (#24690075)
he can, out of narcissism

Eh, I'm failing to see the narcissism. 42+ young men intentionally leave their homes to gang up and harass an old guy. Old guy calls on his Heavenly Referee to handle justice as He sees fit.

Re:How narcissistic leaders infect their organizations’ cult... by cma on Monday October 05, 2020 @03:49PM (#24691311)
More like Heavenly serial killer if it is just over some insults.