Face retouching settings should be off by default

Re:Face retouching settings should be off by default by esperent on Sunday October 04, 2020 @09:40PM (#24683812)

It's a good train to keep going, and the end of the line will be the realisation that allowing some people to receive better treatment for any reason, birth, wealth, looks, intelligence, or anything else, is inherantly unfair.

I hope that some day in the future we'll look back on the way poor people are treated now with the same horror we have today if we hear a black or gay person was refused healthcare or another service.

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Re:Face retouching settings should be off by default by montenegrohugo on Sunday October 04, 2020 @10:46PM (#24684094)

That's basically what John Rawls ends up concluding [1]. But the same line of thinking also leads to the conclusion that Free Will doesn't really exist, rather we humans are a product of our environment/genetics (and thus don't inherently deserve better treatment or rewards since all our efforts and subsequent results aren't 'really' our own doing). I wrote a little bit about this here [2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil_of_ignorance

[2] https://www.hugomontenegro.com/blog/the-absurdity-of-free-wi...

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Re:Face retouching settings should be off by default by fpig on Monday October 05, 2020 @02:23AM (#24685067)

This veil of ignorance is such a simple concept, yet it never occurred to me. It’s actually making me reevaluate my worldview. Thanks for linking it!

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Re:Face retouching settings should be off by default by Infinitesimus on Monday October 05, 2020 @11:56AM (#24688887)

I agree with the conclusion but I'm quite stumped on how to improve that today since aren't even aware of our biases in most interactions. Some definition of Universal Income/Access helps but incentives aren't aligned with the most powerful groups today.

My patchwork strategy nowadays is "Nature is always unfair on the individual level. Leverage your advantages to make life better for those less fortunate." and hope enough people do this to improve the world.

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Re:Face retouching settings should be off by default by kleer001 on Sunday October 04, 2020 @10:38PM (#24684059)

Does "better treatment" include higher wages for skills demonstrated? Or are you talking, like, equal application of law? That what I'd assume.

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Re:Face retouching settings should be off by default by Infinitesimus on Monday October 05, 2020 @11:50AM (#24688817)

I'm not sure it is possible to separate those two things as long as our behaviours subtly change because of some quality we perceive in another person.

A baseline for human needs ( food, shelter, access to health and opportunities to develop oneself) can be codified into law but we'll always find a way to express those biases at the higher levels IMO.

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Re:Face retouching settings should be off by default by kleer001 on Monday October 05, 2020 @07:53PM (#24693393)

> can be codified into law but we'll always find a way...

Which is the best argument for a minimal legal ethical codes. Any system can be hacked, especially those designed by humans. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. So...

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Re:Face retouching settings should be off by default by esperent on Sunday October 04, 2020 @11:18PM (#24684270)

Sure, that's not an issue. Those higher wages can be used to purchase trinkets like a bigger car, fancier house, whatever. As long as the important stuff like education, healthcare, transportation, legal advice etc. are equally accessible to all, and more importantly, you can't buy better healthcare, education, or legal support with more money.

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Re:Face retouching settings should be off by default by orangecat on Sunday October 04, 2020 @11:31PM (#24684325)

more importantly, you can't buy better healthcare, education, or legal support with more money

That's Harrison Bergeron territory. Sorry, you can't go on a vacation to France because your kids might learn something.

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Re:Face retouching settings should be off by default by esperent on Monday October 05, 2020 @12:54AM (#24684670)

Obviously, like all political ideas, if you take it to the extreme it becomes nonsense.

For example, we are currently living the idea of capitalism taken to the extreme, where one man can own a trillion dollars while others can't afford healthcare or education, and it's clearly becoming more and more nonsensical to allow this. Let's try swinging the needle in the other direction for a while.

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