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Re:Pinocchio Dies, Bambi Gets Shot, and Other Changes to Dis... by dredmorbius on Sunday October 04, 2020 @10:31AM (#24679321)
I've been thinking a lot about the distinction between facts and narrative. This puts a rainbow-coloured bow on it.

Facts are events. Narrative is the relationships between those events. Unconnected data vs. an interconnected graph, individual nodes vs. integrated network.

It's possible to take the same facts (or a small sample of them, as here) and create an entirely different story.

Or at least the appearance of one. A recut trailer might be sustained by recutting the film as a whole, or not. The Maverick-Iceman romance ... probably ... wouldn't be sustained without a fair bit of extra (or previously cut) footage, but there's definitely enough to cast a trailer-length spell.

Good narratives address more of the facts, concisely and with few contradictions, loose ends, or holes Something often missing even in officially released films.

Re:Pinocchio Dies, Bambi Gets Shot, and Other Changes to Dis... by 082349872349872 on Sunday October 04, 2020 @01:30PM (#24680680)
facts vs narrative, from a journalistic POV: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23858477

autogenic narrative via pure juxtaposition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuleshov_effect

Edit: before deepfakes, we had to make edits like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmLPhx6N8Vc

Re:Pinocchio Dies, Bambi Gets Shot, and Other Changes to Dis... by dredmorbius on Sunday October 04, 2020 @03:11PM (#24681504)
Appreciated. Before make edits we had Armand Jean du Plessis, Cardinal-Duc de Richelieu et de Fronsac:

“If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged.”

More generally known as Cardinal Richelieu.

Re:Pinocchio Dies, Bambi Gets Shot, and Other Changes to Dis... by 082349872349872 on Monday October 05, 2020 @07:54AM (#24686815)
Having been wondering if it were he or Dumas who came up with that line, I found:

https://history.stackexchange.com/a/28484

but a quick perusal of de Motteville's bio suggests she had been exiled from court at Richelieu's behest, so she may not exactly be a disinterested observer, but was probably very aware of court politics in the years before her arrival.

For what it's worth, I haven't been able to find (Isaac de?) "Laffemas" via full-text search of any of the scans of her memoires I've turned up. (Two of them I searched for "innocent", a word seemingly rare in court memoirs, but no luck there either.) Gallica has a much longer scan (about 50% more pages) but it doesn't seem to have been OCR'ed, and I'm not going to manually check 630pp.

Re:Pinocchio Dies, Bambi Gets Shot, and Other Changes to Dis... by dredmorbius on Monday October 05, 2020 @09:23AM (#24687514)