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Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by nosefrog on Saturday October 03, 2020 @11:13PM (#24676261)
How do we know the source isn't just spreading FUD? I'm as skeptical as the next guy, but the writer's poor English is making my BS-sense tingle.
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by redisman on Saturday October 03, 2020 @11:18PM (#24676286)
Looking at Wikipedia (which reads like it was written by a PR person) he seems fairly qualified to talk about viruses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_A._Haseltine#HIV/AIDS_...
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by bichiliad on Saturday October 03, 2020 @11:27PM (#24676325)
I actually looked the author up as well. I was pretty surprised that what seem to be pretty glaring grammatical errors made their way into what ostensibly is a pretty important article. I wonder if he would publish it with Forbes on the condition that nothing was reworded.
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by plorkyeran on Sunday October 04, 2020 @02:29AM (#24676922)
There is no editor involved for Forbes Contributors. They're basically just third-party bloggers that post on the Forbes site.
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by diogenescynic on Saturday October 03, 2020 @11:31PM (#24676340)
He’s also been critical of other drug trials, so it seems like this is something he does... seems like a reasonably trustworthy source.
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by lbeltrame on Sunday October 04, 2020 @02:53AM (#24677000)
I found the arguments lacking. I don't think there was any plan on preventing infection on the first batch of vaccines, and even the FDA does recommend a minimum of 50% efficacy.

Infection prevention or preventing severe symptoms, are however part of the secondary endpoints of the trials, something that it is not mentioned in the article.

For a counter argument, see https://mobile.twitter.com/nataliexdean/status/1308474303810...

Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by yread on Sunday October 04, 2020 @06:01AM (#24677690)
Here is another article giving a good overview of the whole process with a bit less alarmist take

https://www.ft.com/content/e5012891-58da-4a4f-8a05-182adf3ba...

Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by nickreese on Saturday October 03, 2020 @11:20PM (#24676299)
This feels like FUD especially from Forbes. Any more authoritative sources? This can’t be a secret.
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by Bud on Saturday October 03, 2020 @11:35PM (#24676357)
This shows you didn't read the full article, especially the part at the bottom—the author's bio:

"I am a scientist, businessman, author, and philanthropist. For nearly two decades, I was a professor at Harvard Medical School and Harvard School of Public Health where I founded two academic research departments, the Division of Biochemical Pharmacology and the Division of Human Retrovirology. I am perhaps most well known for my work on cancer, HIV/AIDS, and genomics. My work now also includes efforts to improve access to high quality, affordable healthcare for people in low, middle, and high income countries alike. I am chair and president of ACCESS Health International, a nonprofit organization I founded that fosters innovative solutions to the greatest health challenges of our day. Each of my articles at Forbes.com will focus on a specific healthcare challenge and offer best practices and innovative solutions to overcome those challenges for the benefit of all."

Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by benmmurphy on Sunday October 04, 2020 @06:37AM (#24677852)
Would it even be ethically possible to run the trials in such a way that they would expect deaths or serious symptoms in the control group?
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by new_realist on Saturday October 03, 2020 @11:57PM (#24676425)
Bottom line, more severe endpoints would take more time to gather. Deaths, specifically, are so low right now they might not be significant.
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by im3w1l on Sunday October 04, 2020 @12:31AM (#24676545)
Makes sense. But what about reducing infections?
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by new_realist on Sunday October 04, 2020 @12:49AM (#24676590)
I imagine it’s difficult to determine whether someone has been infected given the short lived and unproven nature of the antibody response. Symptoms, on the other hand, can be self reported.
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by tinus_hn on Sunday October 04, 2020 @08:17AM (#24678440)
What a confused mess. What’s the message here?

Is this one of these ‘we can’t be sure so let’s just wait for five years’ pieces?

I also love how we’re all supposed to listen to the experts. Except you know, those experts, in this case the people who approve these protocols.

Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by Bud on Saturday October 03, 2020 @11:07PM (#24676243)
This is completely horrifying. None of these so-called "vaccines" should ever see the light of day.
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by jml78 on Sunday October 04, 2020 @08:12AM (#24678417)
Why? Should we pull the flu vaccine off the market even though it saves lives?

Even when the flu vaccine isn’t dialed in for that year’s strain, it still generally makes symptoms less severe.

If these vaccines turn covid-19 into a typical cold style coronavirus, that is 100% a victory.

Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by alexandr1us on Monday October 05, 2020 @01:42AM (#24684848)
Because Moderna covid-19 is a new type mRNS vaccine. God knows what harm can it do to people's DNA.
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by Animats on Saturday October 03, 2020 @11:04PM (#24676237)
This isn't good. Read.
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by dx87 on Saturday October 03, 2020 @11:14PM (#24676263)
Here's hoping these "vaccines" aren't mandatory. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but if I'm going to get a new vaccine, it better do more than keep me from getting the sniffles from one specific virus.
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by bichiliad on Saturday October 03, 2020 @11:28PM (#24676329)
I think most, if not all, all vaccines prevent you from getting (the symptoms of) a specific infection. Plus, vaccinations do not prevent mutation if only some of a population gets them.
Re:Covid-19 Vaccine Protocols Reveal That Trials Are Designe... by senectus1 on Monday October 05, 2020 @01:39AM (#24684838)
also "getting the sniffles" is trivializing the dangers of Covid-19 somewhat....