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Re:In the Basement of the Ivory Tower by tphyahoo on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @11:24AM (#246718)
Agree.

I, too, taught "literature" to people that could barely read. It sucked.

If you can't read, you should learn the mechanics of how to read before dealing with things like "foreshadowing" "theme" "denouement."

Just, basic stuff.Otherwise, it's just ridiculous.

That's what these colleges should be doing, if they're taking student's money. Not raping them in their vulnerability, naivete, and ability to get a loan.

Re:In the Basement of the Ivory Tower by hugh on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @12:33PM (#246799)
Just, basic stuff.Otherwise, it's just ridiculous. That's what these colleges should be doing, if they're taking student's money.

No, that's what high schools should be doing.

No wait, actually, that's what primary schools should be doing.

Re:In the Basement of the Ivory Tower by pi3832 on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @03:07PM (#246969)
A vice president of a state university once said to me during an interview:

"I wonder when the state legislature is going to notice that they are giving us money to teach to students the same things they gave high schools money to teach to the same students?"

Re:In the Basement of the Ivory Tower by s3graham on Wednesday July 16, 2008 @02:48AM (#247397)
Unfortunately, at least where I live, it is almost entirely not allowed to fail students in primary or early high school. So, graduating effectively means "I didn't die before age N". And of course, it's a downward spiral: if you can't multiply and divide, you sure as hell can't factor an equation, and you're definitely not going to get anywhere trying to understand the graph of a parabola.
Re:In the Basement of the Ivory Tower by DougBTX on Wednesday July 16, 2008 @09:21AM (#247540)
In my old school, if you fail a year (average below 60%) you repeat that year, if you fail three times, you're kicked out.
Re:In the Basement of the Ivory Tower by hugh on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @01:48PM (#246886)
That's what these colleges should be doing, if they're taking student's money.

Oh, and also... if you're going to be claiming to be an English lecturer and complaining about illiteracy, you should probably master the rules of apostrophe placement first.

Re:In the Basement of the Ivory Tower by weebob on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @03:37PM (#247000)
Two contractions and one possessive; what's your problem?
Re:In the Basement of the Ivory Tower by khill on Tuesday July 15, 2008 @05:15PM (#247092)
I'm guessing he/she thinks it should be plural possessive - students' instead of student's
Re:In the Basement of the Ivory Tower by tphyahoo on Wednesday July 16, 2008 @02:54PM (#247830)
1) I was a high school teacher, not an english lecturer, and I did try to teach the basics how to write a complete sentence. However, the curiculum I was forced to teach was all this foreshadowing/theme/theory crap.

2) I quit to write software.

3) I would have been overjoyed had my students made the kind of grammar mistake (student's) I made in my off the cuff remark. In fact, my experience doing this has made me incredibly forgiving for this kind of thing, I guess in my own writing as well as that of others. Basically, if the meaning is clear and obvious I don't really consider it a mistake, just being a pedantic snob. The problem you get with people who really don't know how to write is the meaning isn't clear, I mean really not clear. You get, like, word salad, metaphors so brutally mixed that who knows what point was trying to be made, a level of incoherence that truly impedes what is trying to be communicated -- it can range from severe annoyance to total incomprehension. Grammar is for pedeants, get your point across and I'm your friend. Unfortunately many people can't.