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Re:The Airline Industry's Meltdown by Loughla on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @09:47AM (#24638634)
Honestly - the flight I took the most pre-covid was a regional commuter between a midwest city and Washington DC. It's like a 2.5 hour flight, at most.

Why do you need a toilet for that? I understand there are disabilities that may call for it. But in the 10-15 years I made that flight regularly, I never saw someone use the toilet an extreme amount. It was more for convenience. I have to assume that those short-haul flights could save a ton of fuel by eliminating toilets.

But I also have a young(ish) bladder and young(ish) digestive system. So maybe I'm just too self-centered.

Re:The Airline Industry's Meltdown by themaninthedark on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @12:15PM (#24640349)
Woman with a heavy menstrual cycle.

Possibility of plane unable to take off at the scheduled time but holding on the runway to make the next available slot.

The problem with cutting some things out is that, even though it might not be utilized 95% of the time, that 5% when you need it, you really need it.

Similar to the backup generator for your data center and justifying it along with the maintenance and tests that go along with it to your boss.

My worry with the direction that engineering is moving, lean, is that we are reducing our safeties below a good level. I see the philosophy moving to other areas, such as finance, creating a race to the bottoms where everyone is leveraged as much as possible. Then when a crisis hits, everyone is unable to survive and we have to turn to government bailouts.

Lean philosophy has recently been targeting healthcare, as a way to reduce cost and reduce adverse outcome while improving quality. While I do think this is important, looking at what is going on in the middle of a pandemic. Is a contributing factor of hospitals running out of masks and ventilators due to lean inventory management practices?

I read a lot a about food wast and how we over produce, it seems logical that there will be a push for lean practices there as well. I could see it being made as a strategy to reduce the amount of CO2 as well as farm land. But conversely, with climate change and the risk of crop failure, is that a good idea?

Re:The Airline Industry's Meltdown by Loughla on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @01:10PM (#24641027)
That's fair, and like I said - I was afraid I was being too self-centered.

As for the rest - I am completely, and 100% over lean philosophy/training/gurus. That has been a major focus in higher education in recent years.

And it has just led to top-down, money based decisions instead of student focused discussions and choices.

I am with you, I think we are just removing safety from areas that may not be appropriate to remove them from.

Re:The Airline Industry's Meltdown by taneq on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @08:48PM (#24645987)
> I am completely, and 100% over lean philosophy/training/gurus.

100% with you here. Especially the ones preaching 'optimizing' your personal life by getting rid of any capacity beyond what you use in your daily life. Once you peel back the glossy cover they almost always, in real terms, translate to "save money by mooching off your friends' equipment and work space".

Re:The Airline Industry's Meltdown by themaninthedark on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @03:23PM (#24642643)
Sorry if my tone was a little strong, that was not my intention at all. I saw where you said you were thinking from a limited scope and decided to use it as a thought exercise :) Then I went off on a tangent about cost cutting XD
Re:The Airline Industry's Meltdown by electricviolet on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @10:52AM (#24639308)
Can you imagine the misery and chaos if someone on the flight desperately needs the restroom and there isn't one?
Re:The Airline Industry's Meltdown by mmcconnell1618 on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @12:57PM (#24640883)
Now imagine an entire cruise ship where the toilets don't work: https://www.cnn.com/2013/12/17/travel/carnival-cruise-triump...
Re:The Airline Industry's Meltdown by mumblemumble on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @10:17AM (#24638951)
It's also that you have a old(ish) bladder and an old(ish) digestive system.

Accommodations for other people's physical needs is a pretty serious Chesterton's Fence situation.

Re:The Airline Industry's Meltdown by paganel on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @01:26PM (#24641210)
I get semi-panic attacks if I know I can’t have access to a toilet if I really want to, and not in 2 hours’ time, but in 5 or 10 minutes’ time. That’s why I avoided taking inter-city buses before I purchased my car (which happened 6 years ago), and instead opted for trains (which were slower but had working toilets).

In other words asking grown-up people to just “keep it in” doesn’t work, just ask Tottenham player Eric Dier for the latest example (am on mobile, too lazy to link, but a quick web search should give you the whole story).

Re:The Airline Industry's Meltdown by TwoHeadedBeast on Thursday October 01, 2020 @04:49AM (#24648839)
You need to bear in mind that it's common practice for one aircraft to fly several different routes, even in the same day. So it might do a short 2.5 hour flight in the morning, then do a longer 5 hour flight after. Also I'm not sure with lo-cost carriers that the crew will get a chance to disembark. The plane will be turned around as quickly as possible.
Re:The Airline Industry's Meltdown by stallmanite on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @03:01PM (#24642378)
Comsider the situation if they removed the bathrooms. What’s the plan when inevitably somebody didn’t plan ahead or gets sick? A very unpleasant ride / the whole cabin watching their fellow flyer urinate (or worse) in the aisle? Seems like a complete nonstarter.
Re:The Airline Industry's Meltdown by nradov on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @02:26PM (#24641914)
You never ate a bad burrito in an airport restaurant?