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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by xienze on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:45PM (#24633962)
> Either their standard was too lenient or their testing procedure unrealistic though, because my dishwasher has the "EU mode" (which has to be selected by default by law), and then 4 other modes that will actually clean the dishes.

In the US these newish dishwashers drive me crazy. They don’t have a heating element on the bottom (efficient!) and anything plastic is absolutely dripping wet, even after it’s been drying overnight (or rather, actively drying for a couple hours and then just sitting there). You’re supposed to top them up CONSTANTLY with Jet Dry (drying agent), but it barely does anything. Parent was spot on in describing the efficiency gains as being a result of not doing the damn job.

Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by eikenberry on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @08:02PM (#24634493)
I think this depends on the model as we just had to replace our dish washer and we got one without the heating element and it does a better job drying than our previous one with the heating element.

Also they still make both and the models with the heating element aren't hard to find.

Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by burnte on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:26PM (#24634246)
> You’re supposed to top them up CONSTANTLY with Jet Dry

THANK YOU, I had no idea why my dish washer seems to go through jetdry like it was water!

Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by gambiting on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @03:48AM (#24636513)
What's jet dry? Literally never heard about the term.
Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by gambiting on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @06:29AM (#24637227)
For anyone else who was confused - it seems to be a different name for rinse aid.
Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by teruakohatu on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @06:53AM (#24637360)
It is a surfactant (breaks surface tension). I am not an American and I had to Google it a few months ago to figure out what it was. I think it is avaliable here in New Zealand but I have never ever seen anyone use it.
Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by gambiting on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @07:03AM (#24637434)
Yeah, it's called rinse aid elsewhere - I'm surprised anyone still uses it, as multitabs have replaced all the separate detergents used(remember having to add salt to your dishwasher?). In fact my dishwasher has a separate setting that you need to enable if you aren't using multitabs, then it will start consuming rinse aid from a separate container. By default it doesn't use any.
Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by kelnos on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @09:56PM (#24635049)
> anything plastic is absolutely dripping wet, even after it’s been drying overnight (or rather, actively drying for a couple hours and then just sitting there)

How is that possible? Even when I hand wash plastic items they'll usually dry within a few hours, at worst overnight.

Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by genocidicbunny on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:05PM (#24635083)
Because the water stays on these items, the inside of the dishwasher stays very humid, and basically none of the moisture can actually dissipate. So unless you leave the dishwasher cracked half-open after its done, all your plastic items end up still wet the next day. And even if you do leave it half-open, without active circulation, it can still take a very long time to dry items.
Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by gknoy on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:32PM (#24635443)
Our solution: Put away the dry porcelain/glass/stoneware pieces, and let the plastic cups and containers dry in a drying rack.
Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by genocidicbunny on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @06:35PM (#24644839)
This is more or less what I do -- I leave the door cracked open for an hour or two, and then put away all the actually dry dishes. Everything else goes into the drying rack for a finishing dry.

The biggest problem with this is some of the not dry items have so much water on them they end up getting everything wet again when you even so much as slide out the dishwasher racks.

But mine is a cheap samsung dishwasher provided by the landlord, so I don't expect it to be terribly effective. Mainly I use the dishwasher when I forgot to do the dishes and need to start cooking and need the sink. It's basically an overflow sink for me.

Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by bradknowles on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @01:23AM (#24635932)
This is why I will never ever again have another Bosch dishwasher. I don’t care what Consumer Reports says about it being the quietest dishwasher and therefore the best, it doesn’t fucking get the dishes clean and then properly dry.

Never ever again.

Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by gambiting on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @03:48AM (#24636511)
I have the exact opposite experience. Got the Bosch Series 6 dishwasher few months ago and it's the best dishwasher I've ever had. Everything is always perfectly clean no matter which program I pick, and if you select "Extra Dry" then everything is actually dry - apparently it's the moisture absorbing zeolite that they are using.
Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by kelnos on Friday October 02, 2020 @12:24AM (#24658861)
Ahhh, yeah, I do crack the dishwasher open a bit after it's done to let the steam out and get some drier air in there. I -- perhaps incorrectly -- assumed this was a normal thing to do!
Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by yumraj on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:43PM (#24635218)
Just use white vinegar instead of jetdry. It works as well and is much cheaper.
Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by kortex on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @12:06AM (#24635612)
I've read this is bad for the seals. Use citric acid (the main component of jetdry) dissolved in water instead. Haven't tested this effect but it's plausible, given that acetic acid is itself a solvent and can diffuse into some rubbers.