Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save'

Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by gwbas1c on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @05:46PM (#24633411)

It's that there's a lot of variation in dishwasher quality.

I used to live in an apartment with a landlord-installed $200 cheapie dishwashers that never worked.

Then I moved to an apartment without a dishwasher, so I bought a $500 one that I could plug into the sink. Worked much better.

After that apartment, I moved into one that had the same dishwasher that I bought, but installed. Worked great! Then I moved into another apartment with a cheapie dishwasher that was so loud I'd only run it when I left.

Anyway, the lesson is that you need to be a savvy consumer... And skip the cheapest models!

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by sjg007 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:03PM (#24633561)

The expensive ones don't work that well either. My kitchenaid cost $1k and it sucks. Maybe a Miele or Bosch will work better.. they are more but honestly I just want one that cleans reliably.

New toilets are awful.. just terrible.

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by reissbaker on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:40PM (#24634357)

My relatively new Bosch (about 2.5 years old) cleans better than any dishwasher I can remember having. And it's near-silent, too.

New models can be good!

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by sjg007 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @08:00PM (#24634478)

Yeah I think Bosch is the better choice. What model?

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by jarito on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:28PM (#24635160)

I got the 500 version based on this article from Wirecutter. Works well, but does require that we leave the door open for a while to let the plastic dry. Silent though. Most of the time, I can only tell it is running by the light on the ground.

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/the-best-dishwash...

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by scruple on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:40PM (#24635199)

I _just_ ordered a Bosch 500 series because my (barely 4 year old) GE model died over the weekend. I was told by a friend who owns the same Bosch model that they go through a lot of Jet Dry, though... But if it actually cleans well and doesn't break in a few years I'll be happy.

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by gdevenyi on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @12:00AM (#24635585)

Had mine 6 years. It doesn't "need" the jet dry, but it certainly helps.

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by bm1362 on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @01:44AM (#24636012)

Also just bought the same model, hoping to replace a terrible Whirlpool.

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by Stratoscope on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @12:38AM (#24635739)

Whatever Bosch you get, avoid the ones with membrane buttons for the controls. I have one and it is horrible. The lettering is completely worn off, the buttons are not sensitive, and you have to keep pressure on them for more than a second to register your touch.

They have otherwise nearly identical models with physical buttons. If I were buying it over again, I would definitely get one of those.

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by sokoloff on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:41PM (#24635204)

I never imagined I would have any feelings for an appliance, but I love my Bosch (800 series and it was just under $1K; third rack is great as well).

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by gwbas1c on Friday October 02, 2020 @03:44PM (#24666360)

My Bosch dishwashers were less than $1k and work great. I put one in my old house, and liked it so much that, when I moved and had to pick out another, I just bought the same one!

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by heelix on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:38PM (#24634345)

Just purchased a 30 year old house... with older plumbing. Ugly color, but compared to the newer ones we put into our former house - they work incredibly well when sinking the Bismarck.

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by Tyr42 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @09:58PM (#24635053)

My parents had bad luck with Bosch. It didn't clean, and then it leaked.

But the Ikea dishwasher we bought, it was loud but it worked

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by sjg007 on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @10:37AM (#24639133)

Ikea's are mostly Whirlpools I believe... Whirlpools tend to be a little more reliable but noisier.

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by PhantomGremlin on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:06PM (#24635315)

a cheapie dishwasher that was so loud I'd only run it when I left

I'm not sure that's a good idea.

I had a dishwasher that had the failure described in the article linked below. The electronics circuitry (top of door) caught fire. Opening the door didn't stop the smoke, and also caused water to spew uncontrollably into the kitchen.

Fortunately I made a quick dash out to the garage and turned off the breaker so there was no damage to the kitchen.

But if I wasn't home .... what would have happened? If we were all sleeping upstairs while the fire was downstairs .... what would have happened?

https://www.consumerreports.org/dishwashers/whirlpool-settle...

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by LargoLasskhyfv on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @10:22PM (#24646601)

There are smoke alarms for that.

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Re:Dual-flush toilets 'wasting more water than they save' by war1025 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @08:06PM (#24634504)

> so loud I'd only run it when I left.

I lived in a studio apartment with this kind of dishwasher for five years.

I refused to run it since it was so obnoxious.

Now I just treat the dishwasher as a drying rack. Works great.

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