Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by oytis on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:11AM
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Birthright citizenship is pretty unique to America though. Nowhere in Europe you would find such a thing, although most people won't count Germany, France, Netherlands, Sweden etc. as human right violators.
Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by baud147258 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:51AM
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Maybe I missed something or forgot how citizenship works here in France (since I learned how it is acquired as a student), but birthright citizenship seems pretty similar to what we have here
Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by oytis on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @12:23PM
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Just checked the wiki, looks like France defines something called double jus soli, which means a person who was born in France to a parent who themselves is born in France (even though they might not be a French citizen) gets the citizenship.
That's a bit closer to birthright citizenship that what we have in Germany, but nowhere as liberal as USA laws, which give citizenship to anyone born in the USA even if their parents entered the country one day before the birth and left next day after the birth. That is something that doesn't exist anywhere in Europe to my knowledge.
Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by baud147258 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @02:42PM
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It seems I didn't look closely enough at the details, thanks for the clarification
Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by eli_gottlieb on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @12:19PM
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France has a mixture of jus soli and jus sanguinis, like most countries. Pure jus soli, as in the American case, is in fact quite rare.
Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by unishark on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:04AM
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Also Canada, Mexico, and almost all of South America. Only a few other countries elsewhere, none of them developed.
Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by C1sc0cat on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @09:39AM
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Ironic given that Donald Trumps grandfather was an immigrant - and German immigrants where subject to discrimination.
Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by pvaldes on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:46AM
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Rich immigrants and poor immigrants are seen often as totally different categories.
Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by C1sc0cat on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:20AM
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Don't think Initially Donald's granddad was that rich.
And to follow up German immigrants where not liked as the liked their beer and some where gasp Catholic
Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by fetbaffe on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:32AM
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How is that ironic?
Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by C1sc0cat on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:19AM
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Nativists campaigned against incomers from Europe
Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by fetbaffe on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:22AM
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So basically you never become a native regardless how many generations you stay in a country, thus nationalism is valid point of view.
Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by C1sc0cat on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @12:04PM
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I didn't say that :-)
I was commenting on the use of nativism by a politician whose grandfather was an immigrant.
Though over time some groups formerly seen as undesirables become honoury whites Irish German Catholics etc.
It wasn't that long ago that having a catholic president Kennedy was seen as problematic
Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by fetbaffe on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @12:18PM
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Sure, but how is it ironic? That is what I'm trying to figure out.
Re:Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due t...
by C1sc0cat on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @04:52AM
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irony "a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often wryly amusing as a result."
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Not a unique to Indian nationalism. American nationalism is very similar. See the "birther" movement. Or the president's push to withdraw birthright citizenship, a concept that would deny far more than just education. Or the references to "anchor babies". The location of one's birthplace, and the birthplace of one's parents, is of fundamental importance in US nationalist movements just as in India.