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Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by jmull3n on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @05:52AM (#24625724)
Curious to see what HN users believe is the best smart TV to buy in terms of OS functionality, privacy and user experience?
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by FooHentai on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @05:56AM (#24625743)
Whatever has the best panel for the best price, then strap an apple TV (or your choice of NUC) onto it and completely ignore whatever on-board smarts exist.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by m_eiman on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:01AM (#24626206)
This is the only reasonable solution. I've got an OLED LG "TV", connected to an Apple TV and a receiver for proper audio (using HDMI ARC).

To turn everything on, I press a button on the Apple TV remote and everything is up and running within five seconds or so (from standby/sleep mode). Powering off the Apple TV also turns off the display and the receiver via HDMI CEC.

Edit: http://www.eiman.tv/misc/power-on.mov

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by Sjonny on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @08:08AM (#24626686)
I found that my receiver was still using 50W while in "CEC-ready standby", while it's only 2W in normal standby, so I never use it. I'll just press a few more buttons.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by loufe on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @11:25AM (#24628943)
That's incredible. 50W is wholy unnacceptable.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by anticensor on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @01:03PM (#24630249)
Indeed unacceptable. That figure is quite comparable to S1 sleeping state of a desktop. Whereas a computer consumes ~10W in S3 state and can even wake up out of that when triggered by LAN.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by covercash on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:17AM (#24625895)
The biggest drawback to this is the lack of support for 4K in the YouTube app on Apple TV.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by antsar on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:58AM (#24626179)
And that the YouTube app forces its ads and shitty recommendations down your throat. A NUC running Kodi sounds nicer. (Yeah, yeah, pi-hole. It’s a bandaid, IMHO)

Also, Apple‘s streaming services being ever more annoyingly shoved in your face on menu screens.

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by covercash on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @03:15PM (#24631776)
I think a simple Youtube-dl + web based front end that can run on a Raspberry Pi would be a great way to help lots of people bypass YouTube.com/apps, make it as simple as PiHole for users to get going. Have it organize files in a way that would allow clients like Plex to easily access that content. Easy 4k + ad-free content on any device.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by kmlx on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:00AM (#24626202)
it doesn't have any ads if you buy Youtube Premium
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by Nextgrid on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:56AM (#24626576)
This requires accepting their ToS & "privacy" policy and providing validated billing data to Google, an advertising company already stalking everything you do on the web.

Some people might not be comfortable with this, or not even trust them to begin with. I personally don't mind paying but there's no way in hell I am providing any personal information to Google.

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by vetinari on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @09:36AM (#24627627)
Pihole cannot block youtube ads. You need uBlock, that can block parts of DOM tree inside a page, knowing hosts is not enough.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by abawany on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @12:31PM (#24629869)
Pine and others have an opportunity to pair with Kodi, like Pine did with UBPorts and etc. to market a Kodi device.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by galad87 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:08AM (#24626249)
YouTube app is supposed to support 4k on tvOS 14. I don't know if Google already updated the app or not.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by mFixman on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @08:47AM (#24627060)
Any reason why an Apple TV and not a Roku or a Chromecast?
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by chadlavi on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @09:07AM (#24627294)
Roku and Chromecast do the same BS as smart TVs
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by mFixman on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @11:32AM (#24639804)
...do they?

I have a Chromecast and have never seen an ad.

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by chadlavi on Thursday October 01, 2020 @01:53PM (#24654053)
They don't display ads on chromecast, they collect info for future ads there.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by bleepblorp on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:14AM (#24625873)
A large form factor monitor hooked up to a PC.

Commercial TVs aimed at the digital signage market are an alternative option to a large monitor, especially at larger sizes. They're less likely to spew advertising than consumer Smart TVs, but are probably less likely to stay clean than a monitor with no Internet connectivity.

I use a Linux PC as a media decode device. It works, but I have no interest in 4K (hardware video decode is sketchy on Linux, which makes 4K difficult) or paid streaming services (if I wanted to watch sewage I'd take up urban exploration into wastewater facilities).

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by JohnBooty on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:30AM (#24626371)

    Commercial TVs aimed at the digital signage market 
    are an alternative option to a large monitor, 
    especially at larger sizes
Do you have experience running one of these? I'm very curious about the pros and cons.

I've seen it mentioned that they tend to lack features like HDR and may not have remote controls. Any other downsides?

I would be fine with the lack of a remote, and probably even HDR. I would also be willing to pay a bit of a premium over consumer TVs.

However, information on these displays is pretty tough to come by. I browse home theater type forums/subreddits from time to time and don't see people really talking about using them in the home.

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by ta8964586 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @08:41AM (#24626989)
No experience running them, but looking at samsung digital signage, HDR looks to be a feature of their high end models and extremely expensive. ~$4,500 for a 55" 4K TV [0]. The more competitively priced displays[1] (~$1300 for 70" 4K) don't seem to offer it.

[0]: https://www.samsung.com/us/business/products/displays/pro-tv...

[1]: https://www.samsung.com/us/business/products/displays/4k-uhd...

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by JohnBooty on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @12:58PM (#24640897)
I think street prices might be quite a bit lower than what we're seeing on Samsung's site.

Amazon has a bunch of affordable models from Samsung. Haven't clicked through them all but here's a 65" with HDR for $600.

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-Business-Software-Speakers-LH...

However, it's probably not the sort of "dumb" TV we want:

    Setup your TV with custom content quickly 
    and easily using the Biz TV app - available 
    for Android and iOS
Seems like this is interfacing with some sort of app on the TV, so I suppose it's not a dumb display.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by Nextgrid on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:59AM (#24626598)
They are extremely expensive (however they are built tougher and are designed to stay on 24/24 for years) and indeed lack a lot of consumer-grade features like HDR. They are also hard to actually find & buy, you need to get them shipped and that will add another ~100 bucks to the price.

I guess image quality and response time might be sub-par too compared to a top-of-the-line consumer-grade TV.

They often have serial ports behind them, that serves as the remote control. They may support HDMI CEC for it as well?

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by asutekku on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @05:55AM (#24625742)
Any tv, but you do not connect it to an internet and get an apple tv to do it instead.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by sorwin on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:23AM (#24625930)
Any TV, as long as you don't connect it to wifi/ethernet. I've been using Roku throughout my house with a home DNS server set to block all roku analytics/log servers. No interface/app issues thus far (about a year now on 4 TVs)

edit: Also, aside from netflix, a local plex server with rtorrent/irssi to auto-download tv series I followl

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by RandomBacon on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:43AM (#24628416)
Sceptre TVs.

They are not "smart", but less is better, so in terms of OS functionaliry, privacy, and user experience; they top the charts.

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by fxtentacle on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:35AM (#24626013)
I have a GSYNC LG OLED who has never had internet and it's connected to a barebone PC.