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Re:Amtrak’s Empire Builder: The Train That Deserves Better by BrianHenryIE on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @01:04AM (#24624316)
> A car is faster and cheaper.

I don't own a car and never learned to drive. What's my upfront cost before the $53 incremental cost?

Car ownership begets car ownership.

AAA says car ownership costs $8,558 per year. I'd have a hard time spending that much on public transport.

https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/articles/what-does-it-cost-to...

Re:Amtrak’s Empire Builder: The Train That Deserves Better by waterheater on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @01:17AM (#24624366)
The linked article clearly states that number only applies to new car ownership. For reference, I have a 20 year old vehicle which I own outright, runs great, and drive maybe 6k miles a year. I usually bike and/or walk to work (or did, before COVID.)

Buy a used car and do your due diligence before purchasing.

Not sure what state they're using for license, tax, and registration. I pay less than $100 a year for that.

Maintenance is about right and can be lower, especially if you don't buy junk.

My insurance is lower than that, but that's a perk of my state.

I fill up maybe once every three weeks, so my fuel usage is way lower than that.

It'll probably go to the scrap yard once I'm done, and this thing was worth around maybe $3k when I bought it some years ago.

All in all, I'm sitting somewhere around $2000 a year for my car. Totally worth having.

Just be smart about it. Cars are very useful to have.

Re:Amtrak’s Empire Builder: The Train That Deserves Better by emiliobumachar on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @08:32AM (#24626912)
You listed a lot of ways to pay in time and energy instead of cash.

(Disclaimer: I own a car)

Re:Amtrak’s Empire Builder: The Train That Deserves Better by pc86 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:45AM (#24628432)
The only thing I see in the list that takes time is doing due diligence when buying a used car, which isn't really a reason not to buy a car. You should be doing a little research for any $10k+ purchase, I would think.
Re:Amtrak’s Empire Builder: The Train That Deserves Better by aww_dang on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @01:14AM (#24624356)
Also consider the health benefits and reduced medical costs if your lifestyle includes bicycling or walking.
Re:Amtrak’s Empire Builder: The Train That Deserves Better by sushshshsh on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @01:18AM (#24624373)
until someone hits you with their car or you catch pneumonia from cycling in february
Re:Amtrak’s Empire Builder: The Train That Deserves Better by lmm on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @01:30AM (#24624429)
All-cause mortality is significantly lower for cyclists. Yes, motorists do kill a lot of people, but in the big picture they're still less dangerous than a sedentary lifestyle.
Re:Amtrak’s Empire Builder: The Train That Deserves Better by evgen on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:42AM (#24626076)
Motorists kill more motorists than they do cyclists. Did your car calculation include the odds of getting hit by some other moron in a car while you were driving to your destination?
Re:Amtrak’s Empire Builder: The Train That Deserves Better by aww_dang on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @01:36AM (#24624454)
As a former bike messenger, I can't relate to this kind of fear mongering.

Winter biking is enjoyable when you dress properly for the weather and use spiked tires.

https://valientemott.com/blog/chances-of-dying-in-a-car-cras...

Re:Amtrak’s Empire Builder: The Train That Deserves Better by LargoLasskhyfv on Wednesday September 30, 2020 @05:38AM (#24636982)
Then you are doing it wrong. Where does one catch pneumonia from driving in the cold?
Re:Amtrak’s Empire Builder: The Train That Deserves Better by sushshshsh on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @01:17AM (#24624372)
I agree with you but there's no way the number is that high. My used car cost $3,000 and for three years the total cost of service has been less than $600. Add in $300 per year of insurance and you're looking at a yearly cost of $1,500 tops
Re:Amtrak’s Empire Builder: The Train That Deserves Better by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:24AM (#24625937)
> What's my upfront cost before the $53 incremental cost?

$400ish (get lucky on a $250 "ran when parked" car, pay by month for insurance and live in a low tax state) on up.

>AAA says car ownership costs $8,558 per year

They say it costs that on average. That's very different from the floor or baseline cost which seems to be what you're implying.

Re:Amtrak’s Empire Builder: The Train That Deserves Better by mlavin on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @09:14AM (#24627375)
>$250 "ran when parked" car

How to get an absolute hooptie sitting in your driveway waiting for replacement parts.

Re:Amtrak’s Empire Builder: The Train That Deserves Better by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @09:22AM (#24627479)
I said "lucky" for a reason.

If you can't source parts in this day and age it's not the car's fault. Anything made in the last 30yr you can readily get service parts for. What you can't get at the parts store are interior trim and non-wearing suspension items that are specific to a narrow range of vehicles (also true for new cars) but if you expect to keep the interior of a bottom dollar car in tip top shape you're out of your mind. The internet makes finding everything that isn't a normal wear item super quick and easy but you're gonna have to wait 24-96hr to get it.