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Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by 082349872349872 on Monday September 28, 2020 @04:33AM (#24614356)
My optimistic side says that if 60 second short videos were ideologically useful, CIA (or your favourite "They") would have weaponised them back in the 1960s[1].

My pessimistic side says they probably are, and maybe they even did.

https://www.thinkbox.tv/research/thinkbox-research/a-matter-...

[1] CIA didn't exist before 1947, so it would have to have been a different they for late 1920s, or even a different medium for "Remember the Maine!"

Bonus blog: https://joshuaspodek.com/north-korean-propaganda-our-adverti...

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by daniellarusso on Monday September 28, 2020 @09:21AM (#24616329)
What about four 30 second videos, and we show them between longer pieces of content (approx. 7 minutes)?

Would that influence anybody?

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by dfischer on Monday September 28, 2020 @04:37AM (#24614386)
Most definitely cia has a history with manipulating information. But at the point of information, how do you know what to even trust at any level? Evidence can be provided for anything. Information and disinformation all at the same time. This is only increasing - how will anyone be able to sort themselves out? I’m not so sure it’s possible.

https://youtu.be/IQPsKvG6WMI

Also 60 seconds of video is a ton of information. And it’s not just one video at a time. The total session aggregated per user per active user is way higher than that. These are behaviors where users use the app all day. Their entire worldview is based on the content within the social network experience.

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by 082349872349872 on Monday September 28, 2020 @05:29AM (#24614732)
thoughts on sorting oneself out, albeit with difficulty:

seek variety of manipulated information: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24600424

systematically analyse received information: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23897577

analyse especially source levels: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24459177

compare https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24403135 and remember we may have evolved big energy-guzzling brains in order to see through primate politics.

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by dfischer on Monday September 28, 2020 @05:37AM (#24614780)
Thank you for contributing something thoughtful and relevant among the disheartening engagements.
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by 082349872349872 on Monday September 28, 2020 @10:35AM (#24617031)
You're welcome. In connection with Bezmenov you may find the setting of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Moments_of_Spring#Ba... interesting.

The Arthashastra recommends never acting on intelligence which hasn't been confirmed through at least three independent channels. Russian, swiss, and US secondary sources agree on the the underlying events of that scenario. I guess if the soviets really had had a highly-placed mole like Stierlitz, they could have done more, perhaps have been subtly encouraging top nazis first to prioritise ideology over pragmatism and then to get into speed, into the occult, and into the bunker.

However, I think a simpler explanation for the later events of 1945 would be: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23401308

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Nighttime, 1944 Berlin: A ushanka-wearing man with skis and a parachute creeps silently along the hallway of an apartment building. He raps quickly on one of the doors.

A dishelved german in nightcap and house shoes opens after a few minutes.

"The eagles fly over the campfire. Repeat: the eagles fly over the campfire!" whispers the man in the hallway.

"Sorry," says the german, "I'm Otto Stierlitz the plumber, born 1904. You want Otto von Stierlitz the spy, born 1899. He lives up on the third floor."

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by yourapostasy on Monday September 28, 2020 @12:27PM (#24618378)
> if 60 second short videos were ideologically useful

A single 60 second video is not materially useful. But steady repetitive exposure to the same or similar messaging videos, is the foundation of TV advertising. There is likely some useful weaponization in there somewhere when the videos can be made without the assistance of a Madison Avenue crew and contract, and the consumers are pecking at the screen for more videos for long stretches of time like a pigeon in a psychology experiment.

Someone is going to try something to achieve controlled/directed opinion shaping with that kind of mass population behavior in a relatively regulation-free context compared to conventional centralized media. It has to be too tempting a centralized target to leave alone. Opinion shaping in these channels already is being attempted commercially. I'd like to hear from domain experts whether the metrics bear out such efforts actually work in the commercial sector, and if other domain experts in politics and defense think such experience warrants those sectors dabbling in making their own attempts.

Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by dfischer on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:41AM (#24626066)
What you’re describing is exactly what’s going on. Cambridge Analytics was the smoking gun. That unraveled what sophistication of technology is being used to mine the internet and control sentiment.
Re:Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads fro... by jhardy54 on Monday September 28, 2020 @11:22AM (#24617594)
I wasn't asking for a citation on whether three-letter agencies have weaponized social media. My issue was the"most malleable" language that belongs in a boomer comic rather than HN.